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Why Bush’s War College Speech Fell Flat -- Know Your Audience, Speak to Them
Special to FreeRepublic ^ | 29 May, 2004 | John Armor (Congressman Billybob)

Posted on 05/27/2004 8:22:14 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob

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To: bayourod
Students at the war colleges aren't only general officers and military historians

Most aren't generals, but most want to be generals, or at least Colonels/Captains.

The vast majority are officers returning from overseas assignments who are being reassigned to teach ROTC. They are being given basic lesson plans and educational material to present to college ROTC students. They are being taught how to grade papers and use the teacher's edition of text books.

Where did you get that notion? I never attended a War College, but I did do Squadron Officers School, which is the first step of the Air Forces Proffessional Military Education ladder. It's followed by the Air Command and Staff and Air War College. Several of my compatriots were doing AWC by correspondence, and I assure you they didn't study lesson plans, nor did they discuss the best ways to produce new butter bars at their seminars.

261 posted on 05/29/2004 7:04:16 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: El Gato
I'm just basing it on personal observations. Where do you think ROTC professors are trained?
262 posted on 05/29/2004 7:44:01 PM PDT by bayourod (Kerry has no track record in negotiating with foreign nations, nor does Sec of State Sharpton)
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To: bayourod

Actually, I think you may be thinking of Command and General Staff College perhaps. I did study lesson plans there. And guys left there and within a couple of years were teaching at ROTC units across the country. I do not think CGSC would claim that as their top mission, but nevertheless I think that is one thing they do. The Army War College is different though. One comes here AFTER having completed his or her 05 command, including ROTC Professors.

For example some of what we concentrated on this year included National Strategic Policy-Making (i.e how Condi Rice earns her pay); the instruments of National Power (we call them the DIME...Diplomatic, Informational, Military, and Economic elements of National Strategy), and how they can be used together to achieve our National Strategic objectives; Interagency operations (DoD, State, CIA, FBI, etc.); Joint and Coalition Warfare; strategic and operational war plans and execution; and of course some military history and military theory. Not a full list, but we do not study any lesson plans or prepare for teaching classes aimed at anyone lower than 05 or 06. Some of us will leave to command Brigades, while most of the rest will go to a higher level staff job, either in the Pentagon on the Army or Joint Staff, or to one of the Component Commands (such as CENTCOM).


263 posted on 05/29/2004 9:03:36 PM PDT by Proud Legions
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To: Proud Legions
You're probably right, I really didn't pay that much attention to it when we lived in Montgomery, Alabama.

However I spent hundreds of hours in OTC brfore I was old enough to be put into kindergarten.

264 posted on 05/29/2004 9:26:08 PM PDT by bayourod (Kerry has no track record in negotiating with foreign nations, nor does Sec of State Sharpton)
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To: Congressman Billybob

I will certainly put my "did NOT fall flat" two cents in here as well. I thought it was a courageous and inspiring speech.


265 posted on 05/30/2004 7:04:31 PM PDT by Da Mav
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To: Proud Legions
The Air Force has a special short course run by Air University at Maxwell, which is also the physical location for the Air Command and Staff and Air War College, for prospective AFROTC instructors. It's called the AF Reserve Officer Training Corps Academic Instructor Course. It is not part of either ACS or AWC. I couldn't find what sort of school the Army sends it's prospective ROTC instructors and PMS( Professors of Military Science, the head of the ROTC detachment at a particular school). However I did find that they are trying to hire retired active duty or current reserve/guard officers to fill out the staffs of ROTC units. From this I take it that the Army is having a hard time finding enough officers to fill operational and other staff slots and would like to not lose them to ROTC for 2-4 years, at least at the present time.
266 posted on 05/30/2004 10:05:33 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
I'd say the President got a very warm welcome indeed. I just watched the speech on the CSPAN site (I was at work down the in "The Pit", where we can't have TV, Radio, Cell Phones, handy talkies or even AM/FM recievers, but we can have CD (and presumably DVD) players as long as they had no writable non volitile memory) When he first arrived, and when he remounted the dias for a final wave after doing the greet and shake bit, the place exploded, especially there at the last.

I agree that he could and should have layed on the history a bit more, but I still think he made the points he wanted to make.

267 posted on 05/30/2004 10:11:02 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Everything is relative based on perspective.


268 posted on 06/01/2004 12:58:50 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: Congressman Billybob
I usually like the stuff written by John Armor (Congressman Billybob). But there is just something about this piece on Bush. Something about it. It just didn't "do it" for me. I can't put my finger on it. It's kinda like it was not written for "me".

It just didn't have the "oomph!". That "je nes se qua". The "gravitas" I'd expect. I just can't seem to find the right words to describe it. Can anyone help me out?

269 posted on 06/01/2004 1:10:50 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (I'm isthisnickcool, and I approved this post!)
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To: isthisnickcool
Perhaps it is a touch of malaise, a soupcon de merde? Just trying to help.

John / Billybob

270 posted on 06/01/2004 1:18:51 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com Visit. Join. Help. Please.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Two comments:

You are, as always, a wonderful writer.

When I read the paragraph about American boys, I realized how feminized our culture has become since the days of Patton. The military services turn out wonderful, terrific fighting men, but there is more hogwash to undo than in Patton's time.

271 posted on 06/01/2004 1:30:37 PM PDT by happygrl (The democrats are trying to pave a road to the white house with the bodies of dead American soldiers)
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To: Congressman Billybob

wrong, wrong, wrong...great speech


272 posted on 06/01/2004 1:32:36 PM PDT by The Wizard (Democrats: enemies of America)
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To: Congressman Billybob
I'm not sure this audience is the type that will interrupt with applause repeatedly, so that may not be the best measure of success. Still....

Static planning is a recipe for disaster. Every single member of the President’s audience at the War College was steeped in this concept. Why didn’t the President recognize that, and state it then and there?

That was a direct hit. Great, great point. It's an old military axiom that no plan survives the first contact with the enemy, and the idea that we could "plan" the occupation of a country of 26 million people on the immediate heels of a war of indeterminate duration is laughable. What matters is our ability to adapt, persevere, and grind out a victory.

273 posted on 06/01/2004 2:15:25 PM PDT by XJarhead
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To: Proud Legions
What a great forum this is, that we can actually hear from someone who was PRESENT at that speech.

Thanks for your insightful comments.

274 posted on 06/01/2004 2:46:05 PM PDT by happygrl (The democrats are trying to pave a road to the white house with the bodies of dead American soldiers)
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To: bayourod

I believe you're confusing the war college experience with what is the course structure at the command and staff schools of the various services. The was colleges as well as the Industrial College of the Armed Forces and the national War College at Ft. Leslie J. McNair are on the Ph.D. level. These attendees go on to JCS work, command assignments at the divison, wing and battle group level of field forces and training commands and Pentagon support functions at the higher levels. These graduates do not go on the assigments at ROTC or others that are on the downhill side of the retirement gate.


275 posted on 06/02/2004 2:19:10 PM PDT by middie
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To: Congressman Billybob
If the only audience had been the war college, then your points are well made. But the audience wasn't really them, it was the American people.

As simple as the information you discussed seems to us, it is unfortunately reality, and reality is something the current American citizenry hasn't yet adapted to dealing with, especially, dare I say this, many women voters and young people steeped in kumbaya idealism from liberal brainwashing in the schools.

President Bush is the CIC and the political leader right now, and his judgment on what the American people can absorb may not always be right, but he is probably more often right than we are about this.

Right now, my view is that undermining a leader in time of war or a parent in midst of disciplining a child is a bad idea. It may sell newspapers and newsletters and increase TV ratings, but it is essentially counterproductive--it makes the problem you are facing worse, imo.

276 posted on 06/02/2004 4:29:51 PM PDT by patriciaruth
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To: lilylangtree
Everything is relative based on perspective.

Only if you don't believe in God.

277 posted on 06/02/2004 4:31:24 PM PDT by patriciaruth
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To: Congressman Billybob
ATTENTION WHITE HOUSE STAFF: You can contact Congressman Billybob via the FReerepublic.com!

READ AND HEED - BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!

278 posted on 06/02/2004 4:45:13 PM PDT by Chieftain (To all who serve and support those who serve - thank you!)
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To: CasearianDaoist
The media is Fouled Up Beyond All Recall. I agree with you that we've seen nothing like this - their bias is stunning.

I don't agree that we are letting them set the agenda. This is no more true than to say we let Clinton be a scumbag. Their agenda is out of our hands. They are thoroughly infected with the Liberal Disease.

Anything that W. says can and will be held against him, unless ignored.

This can get depressing after a while, even for a great leader. Churchill was called to lead Great Britain in their hour of greatest need, with broad public and press support. Had he had what passes for our main stream media for press, I doubt even he would have found the voice to speak as well as he did for the need to defend liberty at all costs.

This is probably more pressing on a extrovert, such as Bush. Those driven more by concept, such as perhaps Reagan and Churchill, are perhaps better prepared to weather bitter opposition from the press. Bush, while just as smart, has a temperment that thrives on people.

Fortunately, he also thrives on prayer. I urge my fellow Freepers who are so inclined to pray for him. I would pray for him myself, but for that I am a God Damned Atheist.

279 posted on 06/03/2004 2:38:01 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (I was humble, before I was born. -- J Frondeur Kerry)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
It is not looking good in Iraq. The place is a freaking mess.
In fact, not all major cities in the US have a higher crime rate than Iraq!

Context, people, context!!

Just remember, journalism isn't there to tell you what's going on, and what's going to happen. Journalism exists to cure boredom. From the POV of the journalist, Iraq is a wonderful source of bad news, nothing more.

If you really wanted to see Iraq in perspective, look at Afghanistan. There are casualties happening there - e.g., Pat Tilman - but Afghanistan is on journalism's back burner because there is more excitement in Iraq. But because our military operations in Afghanistan began a year before those in Iraq, the experience in Afghanistan is a salient bit of data for figuring what to expect in Iraq. Allowing both for significant local differences on the one hand, and for the application of lessons learned in one place being applied to the other - by Americans and by Al Qaeda.

A new government is being established in Iraq; a year or so ago a new government was established in Afghanistan. American forces are still in Afghanistan, and a year from now American forces will still be needed and presumably will still be present in Iraq.

Of course we will have an election in the meantime, and at present the polls are not showing a clear winner. IMHO that reflects journalism's best efforts to levitate the Kerry candidacy - and by November events such as continued improvement in the economy and progress in Iraq toward the situation now existing in Afghanistan will let the air out of that baloon.

Kerry has been on all sides of every issue, and I expect the campaign to force him to clarify his position - and lose support to Nader while Bush's support only solidifies. You can't beat somebody with nobody, and you can't beat an effective sitting president with a hollow 3-term senator who has 75,000 miles on his odometer but is otherwise indistinguishable from a typical Ivy League June grad.


280 posted on 06/03/2004 7:19:36 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion
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