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Why Bush’s War College Speech Fell Flat -- Know Your Audience, Speak to Them
Special to FreeRepublic ^ | 29 May, 2004 | John Armor (Congressman Billybob)

Posted on 05/27/2004 8:22:14 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob

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To: Texasforever

Yeah, I'm still here 'cause I support the effort against the Left and am not afraid to admit when our guy on point could use a little help. Give me a minute, I've got to figure out how to get the feedbag over your blinders.


141 posted on 05/27/2004 10:34:05 PM PDT by budwiesest
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To: Congressman Billybob

Yes--but the Yale campus had better pizza!


142 posted on 05/27/2004 10:34:35 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Barlowmaker
No doubt. There was a time last summer/fall when just standing in line to apply to the CPA Security or Local Police Academies took balls the size of canned hams. Remember when those guys were getting slaughtered queueing up on sidewalks or riding in buses?

I've got a story that was reported (obscurely) goes back to February or so ... One guy showed up in awful tattered clothes, and the Americans were ignoring him, but he seemed to be persistent so they brought him in. the Americans at the recruiting station asked him why he wasnt dressed decently. He replied that he was injured in a bomb blast that took place at the recruiting station several days prior, but he still wanted to join the ICDC. And he had no other change of clothes.

143 posted on 05/27/2004 10:36:20 PM PDT by WOSG (Peace through Victory! Iraq victory, W victory, American victory!)
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To: WOSG

Well that would be looking backwards instead of focusing on how we will move forward. Yes he needs to lay out all of what you laid out but not in this series. If the plan he has in place fails, he could show pictures with Saddam and Osamma in bed together and it wouldn't change anything. He has bet the entire farm on success of post war Iraq, not what led us to war in the first place.


144 posted on 05/27/2004 10:38:25 PM PDT by Texasforever (When Kerry was asked what kind of tree he would like to be he answered…. Al Gore.)
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To: budwiesest
I've got to figure out how to get the feedbag over your blinders.

Why take a cheap shot?

145 posted on 05/27/2004 10:39:48 PM PDT by Texasforever (When Kerry was asked what kind of tree he would like to be he answered…. Al Gore.)
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To: MJY1288
95% of Iraq is stable and it's the other 5% that dominate the mainstream news

LOL! The very people that are suppose to take over this mess are being assassinated and need to be surround by rings of armed security. Stable? We can't even trust half of those that are suppose to take over this disaster. LOL!

146 posted on 05/27/2004 10:41:00 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
LOL! The very people that are suppose to take over this mess are being assassinated and need to be surround by rings of armed security. Stable?

How long do you think Bush would live if he wasn't "surrounded by armed security"?

147 posted on 05/27/2004 10:43:02 PM PDT by Texasforever (When Kerry was asked what kind of tree he would like to be he answered…. Al Gore.)
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To: Texasforever
OK Tex, I'll put you down as believing Iraq is "stable" like your buddy says he believes.

Jezzzuz......You guys are over the big top.

148 posted on 05/27/2004 10:49:48 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Joe Hadenuf

You're obviously limited by your simplistic mentality..... Go get some rest Joe! you're in way over your head


149 posted on 05/27/2004 10:50:06 PM PDT by MJY1288 (Our Wounded Soldiers at Walter Reed Have Yet to be Visited by John Kerry. What's he Afraid of?)
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To: WOSG
I believe that story. There are thousands of such stories, happening every day over there.

Everything I needed to know about the chronic-naysayer element here on FR was demonstrated earlier today when a cast of the usual suspects showed up to portray the al-Sadr retreat from An Najaf as a Coalition defeat. It was another display of Administration weakness in their cynical, disingenuous world view.

These people aren't conducting themselves with integrity here in my opinion. They're b.s. artists looking to demoralize the forum members and create a facade of dissension to outside observers. It pisses me off they play games with real world events that have life or death stakes attatched. I have a sense the onslaught is going to get worse as the Summer proceeds toward election day. It's frustrating to have the one sanctuary I've found from the propaganda machine be poisoned by divisive jerks. The gloom and doom merchants had a defensable position mid-April - early May when events were indeed appearing to be spiralling out of control. That reality no longer exists, the situation is revealing itself to be increasingly optimistic. Folks who refuse to acknowledge victories when they occur are harboring unsavory agendas.

150 posted on 05/27/2004 10:51:46 PM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: Joe Hadenuf
OK Tex, I'll put you down as believing Iraq is "stable" like your buddy says he believes.

You are going to puncture your ear drums if you don't get your fingers out of your ears. I think you may be in over your head around here. You are incapable of defending your position. You just throw out BS and change the subject on the first rebuttal.

151 posted on 05/27/2004 10:54:25 PM PDT by Texasforever (When Kerry was asked what kind of tree he would like to be he answered…. Al Gore.)
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To: Barlowmaker
"The gloom and doom merchants had a defensable position mid-April - early May when events were indeed appearing to be spiralling out of control."

Remember when the ground war started and our troops were slowed by the sand storms...the offensive was suddenly bogged down. The word quagmire was used often by the merchants of defeat.

152 posted on 05/27/2004 10:55:16 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson

Afghanistan was a quagmire.


153 posted on 05/27/2004 10:57:34 PM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: MJY1288
You're obviously limited by your simplistic mentality.

"Iraq is 95 percent stable"

With 130,000 troops, in a country as big as California with a population of millions of fanatics? While the dummies we put in charge are being assassinated? Iraq is 95 percent stable? LOL! You have your head so far up your party's ass you are blinded man.

154 posted on 05/27/2004 10:58:23 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Texasforever
Sorry if you took it that way. Just think you're too blind to see when our guy dosen't deliver the goods.

You mentioned Churchill and others. I've been waiting and waiting for something to come from the mouths of those on our side to produce something memorable or quotable in a historical sense. Let me try a few out on you:

"Uniformed or not, our soldiers will waste no time with insurgence."

"Try as they might, neither a woman's skirt nor minoret shall provide safe harbor.

"Don't mess with budwiesest."

155 posted on 05/27/2004 11:00:39 PM PDT by budwiesest
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To: Joe Hadenuf

One soldier writing home summed that up nicely. He said something like what you just did, but the worded it more like: "Do you think if we were surrounded by 25 million people who wanted to kill us that we'd be alive today?"


156 posted on 05/27/2004 11:01:17 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Congressman Billybob
I don't think it fell flat. His real audience was not those in attendance. That was the location, but the speech was intended for nervous and forgetful Americans.

It was simple, low key and painstakingly explained to those who have forgotten what we are doing and why.

It simply and effectively countered the "he has no plan" argument that the dems are so fond of putting forth.

It had to be simple and non-flashy so that it could be easily understood. It needed to be very plain so that no one could misunderstand.

It was like kindergarten for the war weary crowd and those that never understood in the first place.
157 posted on 05/27/2004 11:04:53 PM PDT by texasflower (in the event of the rapture.......the Bush White House will be unmanned)
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To: CWOJackson
Do you think if we were surrounded by 25 million people who wanted to kill us that we'd be alive today?"

LOL! Then why drive around in armor vehicles and tanks? Why all the hubub about body armor? Loose your armor, lose your life. LOL! Hehehe...Thanks for the belly laugh!

158 posted on 05/27/2004 11:05:12 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Barlowmaker
Yes, I almost forgot about Afghanistan. I recall all the retired generals and military historians reminding us:

1) The British and Russians learned that you cannot conquer Afghanistan,

2) that we were not prepared for General Winter, and

3) if we had any chance of success we would need forces on par with Desert Storm, or greater.

Hmmmmmm. We went in with only a fraction of the force, we used new tactics mixing sophisticated weapons with warriors on horseback and we formed an alliance and didn't try to conquer.

159 posted on 05/27/2004 11:06:40 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: budwiesest
Sorry if you took it that way. Just think you're too blind to see when our guy dosen't deliver the goods.

BS. He is delivering the "goods". He has never wavered on this from 911 to date. Just because you and many others have caved doesn't mean he has "lost his way". He has a hell of a lot more to lose on this than any of us. BTW, the decision on Falujia was made by the Marine commander on the ground. Bush has let the military conduct this war unlike what happened in Viet-Nam.

160 posted on 05/27/2004 11:07:41 PM PDT by Texasforever (When Kerry was asked what kind of tree he would like to be he answered…. Al Gore.)
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