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US asks private sector to ease bullet shortage
Financial Times ^ | May 26, 2004 | Christopher Bowe

Posted on 05/26/2004 6:53:33 PM PDT by NCjim

Even in the age of unmanned aerial vehicles, satellite-guided bombs and night-vision goggles, the US army cannot fight a war without its most basic necessity: bullets.

And with more troops in Iraq, more intense combat than expected and the need for almost every soldier from frontline infantryman to rearguard logistician to be prepared for an ambush, the army suddenly finds itself in a bullet crunch.

According to a requisition last week by the Army Field Support Command, the service will need 300m to 500m more bullets a year for at least five years, or more than 1.5m a year for combat and training. And because the single army-owned, small-calibre ammunition factory in Lake City, Missouri, can produce only 1.2m bullets annually, the army is suddenly scrambling to get private defence contractors to help fill the gap.

The bullet problem has its roots in a Pentagon effort to restock its depleted war materiel reserve. But it has been exacerbated by the ongoing operations in Afghanistan and Iraq, where rearguard and supply units have been thinly-stretched throughout the countryside, occasionally without active duty combat soldiers to protect them.

The army's formal solicitation acknowledges that its current m anufacturing abilities have been all but exhausted. "Increasing military contingencies have created a situation where the capability to produce small calibre ammunition through conventional methods has been fully exercised," it said.

Specifically, the army is looking for 300m more bullets annually, potentially rising to 500m a year.

Alliant Techsystems, which runs the army-owned factory in Lake City, is in talks with the military about remedying the bullet production shortage, insisting it could expand output by 200m to 300m a year.

General Dynamics, the US defence contractor which submitted its proposed solution on Tuesday, said it had pulled together several small bullet suppliers - including Winchester, a unit of Olin Corporation; Israel Military Industries; and Canada's SNC Technologies - to meet the army's gap.

"We're using so much ammunition in Iraq there isn't enough capacity around," said Eric Hugel, a defence industry analyst at Sephens Inc. "They have to go internationally."


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KEYWORDS: ammo; banglist; supplylines
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To: John Lenin

I said no such thing. I just said that, having been in office for 3.5 years, the current administration shares some of the blame. To place all the blame of clintoon isn't truthful, not I didn't say he did not share in the blame just that he wasn't the only one responsible. And last time I check, President Bush didn't ok ammo orders, someone lower in the Military does. THEY should be brought to task.


41 posted on 05/26/2004 8:05:57 PM PDT by inflation (Cuba = BAD, China = Good? Why, should not both be treated the way Cuba is?)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I never said they couldn't produce a quality product. I am sure they do. I just don't like the idea of the government owning and running factories.

It just seems wrong.

42 posted on 05/26/2004 8:09:15 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Stalin's grave is just another communist plot.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Not sure how I feel about the army owning factories in the first place. Just seems wrong somehow.

Maybe so, but it's traditional. Most bombs and other heavy stuff is made in government owned factories even today. Oh the guidance equipment and so forth are made by private industry, but the ordance part is made in government owned factories. The same holds for missles, motars and so forth. The famous M-1 Garand was a product of a government Arsenal (and John Garand worked for the government), as was the follow on M-14. Of course the M-1 Carbine was not, nor was the M-16. During WW-II much of the production was done by private industy, including many that had never been involved in making guns or ammunition before. Prior WW-I, most of the military small arms, and the big guns too, were made in government owned arsenals. Harper's Ferry in Virgina for example, or Springfield in Massachusetts for example. The big overhall and modification depots of the Air Force (Air Logistics Centers) are government owned factories for all practical purposes, although more of the support work in now done by contractors than was the case 30 years ago.

43 posted on 05/26/2004 8:09:43 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: longtermmemmory
I think the problem is that our ammo has to be envirowacko freindly.

Only the practice ammo, not the war reserve stuff.

44 posted on 05/26/2004 8:11:49 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: longtermmemmory
How about a bullets fundraiser. Imagine school children sending their penies to bullets to kill terroirsts. The left would go bald from pulling their hairs

Now that is a great idea, which is why it will never happen, at least not in the public schools.

45 posted on 05/26/2004 8:13:06 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: El Gato
During WW-II much of the production was done by private industy, including many that had never been involved in making guns...

My M-1 was build by International Harvester, and my M-16 was build by GM.

46 posted on 05/26/2004 8:19:35 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (...and Freedom tastes of Reality)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
The USAF owns all warplane production facilities, to include dies, jigs, machinery, etc.

Aircraft companies such as Lockheed, Boeing, Sikorsky, etc., lease the facilities and equipment from the government to produce the aircraft.

47 posted on 05/26/2004 8:21:08 PM PDT by spectre
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To: NCjim
...can produce only 1.2m bullets annually...

I'm interpreting "1.2m" as 1.2 million. Shouldn't this be 1.2 billion?

48 posted on 05/26/2004 8:21:32 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (...and Freedom tastes of Reality)
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To: NCjim

I will give up my private stock of .223 ammo to the Military providing each bullet ends up residing in the torso or head of a terrorist.


49 posted on 05/26/2004 8:21:35 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (DEMS STILL LIE like yellow dogs.)
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To: Dog Gone

Army should get a Sportsmans Guide catalog (10% off on ammo with membership card).


50 posted on 05/26/2004 8:21:37 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: oceanview
who in the private sector makes ammo for AC130 guns, or the guns on the Bradleys?

The Same Company>>>Alliant Techsystems,Inc.
Lots of cool military products.
It used to be Honeywell's Defense Systems Group.

ATK's Home Page

51 posted on 05/26/2004 8:27:09 PM PDT by HP8753 (Some companies should be happy with Four Sigma.)
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To: Shooter 2.5
IIRC, Klinton signed an Executive Edict banning the sale of military surplus ammo to us peasants.

Thus, ammo companies had no motivation to build the infrastructure to make as much as a single round more than the military had contracted for that year. And even that was risky as funding from year-to-year is always at the mercy of Congress and politics comes into play.

Any extra ammo had to be stockpiled somewhere (which costs $$$$) since they couldn't sell it to American citizens.

52 posted on 05/26/2004 8:28:05 PM PDT by Mulder (Fight the future)
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To: Dog Gone
The free market always fixes these things

Well, it's really not a "free market" when your market is artificially restricted by government edicts.

53 posted on 05/26/2004 8:29:57 PM PDT by Mulder (Fight the future)
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To: inflation

You don't see the correlation between stupid gun laws and military gear shortages ? Believe this, the last administration did everything it could to DESTROY this country.


54 posted on 05/26/2004 8:32:03 PM PDT by John Lenin
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To: FreedomPoster

Dammed thing was only good for making sure you didn't get captured alive anyway :->


55 posted on 05/26/2004 8:32:15 PM PDT by Feckless
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To: Feckless
I was issued 12 rounds of 9mm ammo during Desert Storm. Six rounds for each 15 rd clip of my FN 9mm. Was threatened with a court martial when my wife sent me 2 boxes of 9mm ammo in the mail.

Try Beretta, not FN.

56 posted on 05/26/2004 8:32:42 PM PDT by Trinity5
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To: Mulder
Well, true, but tell me a US market that isn't affected that way. Oil? Farms? Automobile manufacturing?

I'm suggesting that it's all relative in a capitalistic environment despite the government edicts.

57 posted on 05/26/2004 8:33:12 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Trinity5

Unless you were a Brit which now makes sense after I posted!


58 posted on 05/26/2004 8:33:55 PM PDT by Trinity5
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To: John Lenin
"How hard is it to add a second or third shift ?" 1.2 million cartridges/yr=5000/day (250 workdays/yr). A single amateur with a progressive reloading press could do 2000 per day, IF THERE ARE COMPONENTS (brass, bullets, primers) in quantum satis. Since even a primitive electric machine could do 8000/hr, their problem must be with components, not with assembly. And automated components lines should be making way more than 5000/day. Maybe there is a typo somewhere - 1.2 billion/yr?
59 posted on 05/26/2004 8:38:08 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: NCjim

This situation is at least six months old. Unbelievable that it hasn't been addressed yet.


60 posted on 05/26/2004 8:40:48 PM PDT by Ranger
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