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The Heckler Heckled
TAS ^ | 5/26/2004 | George Neumayr

Posted on 05/26/2004 3:09:57 PM PDT by swilhelm73

When E.L. Doctorow urged graduates at Hofstra University to question authority, he didn't expect them to question his. The fiction writer accused George Bush of launching a fictitious war in Iraq and was heckled into silence. In a moment the liberal elite must regard as an alarming illustration of the Red-Blue divisions of America now even bleeding into academia, students and parents booed Doctorow while the liberal faculty stood to cheer at the end of his speech. Booing a speaker into silence wasn't the vigorous free speech and activism Doctorow had in mind when he extolled agitation earlier in his speech. How dare the mob turn on its visionaries. Notice the suggestion (in the Newsday story about Doctorow's speech) that peasants were responsible for the heckling -- the booing "came mainly from the crowd in the stands." This is reminiscent of self-appointed populist Michael Moore blaming boos at the Oscars two years ago on lowly stage hands and hooligans in the cheap seats.

The distinction between civility and incivility in the liberal mind is very fine indeed: If a liberal commencement speaker calls the president of the United States a liar, that's civility; if the crowd boos the speaker calling their president a liar, that's incivility.

Doctorow once helped Americans navigate these careful distinctions as a member of a "civility" commission in the 1990s after the troubling Republican takeover of Congress. Called the "Penn Commission on Society, Culture and Community," it gathered at the University of Pennsylvania to address the "explosion of incivility" in American life. Such experts on civility as Paul Begala were asked to mull "the rising tide of rudeness and -- if possible -- how to stem it," reported the press.

Doctorow had tried to keep the rudeness of the Reagan years at bay. But to no avail. The mob needed further conditioning. Reactionary parents, for example, shook their heads in dismay at a 1989 Brandeis University commencement address Doctorow delivered in which he accused Ronald Reagan of lying and nurturing a "gangsterdom of the spirit."

"Mr. Reagan's advocacy of self-reliance caused him to scorn or forget other truths of community," Doctorow said in that address. "And so he was moved at various times in his Administration to take away school lunches from needy children and tuition loans from students, and to deny legal services to poor people and psychological counseling to Vietnam veterans, and Social Security payments to handicapped people...The philosophical conservative is someone willing to pay the price of other people's suffering for his principles. And so we now have hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, of our citizens lying around in the streets of our cities, sleeping in doorways, begging with styrofoam cups. We didn't have a class of permanent beggars in this country -- in the United States of America -- fifteen or twenty years ago. We didn't have kids selling crack in their grade schools, or businessmen magnifying their fortunes into megafortunes by stock manipulation and thievery -- I don't remember such epidemics of major corporate fraud. A decade ago you did not have college students scrawling racial epithets or anti-Semitic graffiti on the room doors of their fellow students. You did not have cops strangling teen-age boys to death or shooting elderly deranged women in their own homes. You did not have scientists falsifying the results of experiments, or preachers committing the sins against which they so thunderously preached. A generation or so back, you didn't have every class of society, and every occupation, widely, ruggedly practicing its own characteristic form of crime."

It must be maddening to Doctorow that conservatives see such talk as uncivil, deserving of jeers. Clearly his old civility commission needs to reconvene to teach Americans that conservative thought itself is "uncivil" and liberalism, even when its proponents are accusing conservatives of lying and killing, is civility's most reliable friend. Don't students know that civility is conformity to liberalism? Liberals aren't supposed to be heckled at commencement ceremonies; they are supposed to do the heckling.(Just like they did to Jeane Kirkpatrick at U.C. Berkeley in 1983 when liberals routinely accused her of lying about the evil of communism, as they now accuse Bush of lying about Saddam Hussein's ties to terrorists.)

Conservatives are supposed to be heckled, not contributors to the Nation magazine like Doctorow. Or newspaper publishers. Recall Janis Heaphy, publisher of the Sacramento Bee, who had her remarks about civil liberties drowned out at the 2001 commencement at Cal State Sacramento. John Ashcroft and George Bush were threatening their rights, she told them. "Specifically, to what degree are we willing to compromise our civil liberties in the name of security?" The graduates then exercised their civil liberties so loudly Heaphy had to sit down.

These are stories of campus radicalism that won't make it into Doctorow's radical novels, and examples of rudeness Doctorow likes to reserve to himself.


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To: driftless
Guffaw! Go ahead, tell me another joke.

News bulletin for you: this booing of Doctorow IS retaliation. This is the treatment that the left has been giving conservatives for years. It's long past time to ditch the "New Tone."

21 posted on 05/26/2004 5:19:15 PM PDT by Paul Atreides
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To: Klaus D. Deore
No. The smell of troll is coming from you. We're watching.

Take care. Troll.

22 posted on 05/26/2004 5:21:44 PM PDT by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker

Have a NICE day. JO.


23 posted on 05/26/2004 5:23:13 PM PDT by Klaus D. Deore
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To: Klaus D. Deore
You left your initials behind.

Troll.

24 posted on 05/26/2004 5:27:45 PM PDT by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: Klaus D. Deore; O.C. - Old Cracker

Knock it off


25 posted on 05/26/2004 5:32:50 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: driftless
Silence would be a better weapon.

Silence is the weapon we've used for the last decade, it's not effective. Unless we start speaking up, unless we let these out of line leftists know we will not be silent anymore, we might as well give in.

No, we should no longer be silent. Freedom of speech works both says.

26 posted on 05/26/2004 5:34:19 PM PDT by McGavin999 (If Kerry can't deal with the "Republican Attack Machine" how is he going to deal with Al Qaeda)
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To: Admin Moderator

The punk is a troll and I'm sick of his posts. If you want to kick me for calling it as I see it, fine. But the punk is still a troll. I have truly enjoyed my stay here at FR.


27 posted on 05/26/2004 5:35:28 PM PDT by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker; klaus

hey, Hey, HEY!


28 posted on 05/26/2004 5:40:42 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: Klaus D. Deore

LOL!


29 posted on 05/26/2004 5:41:15 PM PDT by stands2reason ( During the cola wars, France was occupied by Pepsi for six months.)
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker; trebb

see: xenophobe


30 posted on 05/26/2004 5:43:48 PM PDT by stands2reason ( During the cola wars, France was occupied by Pepsi for six months.)
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To: Klaus D. Deore

Thought I'd mention that "I got it" right away.


32 posted on 05/26/2004 5:46:49 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
Thought I'd mention that "I got it" right away.

Thanks... evidently not everyone is as sharp as you ;-)

33 posted on 05/26/2004 5:48:10 PM PDT by Klaus D. Deore
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To: stands2reason
Semi-flighty, occasionally artistic, part-time genius female person who isn't quite old (yet). Low-maintenance. Combination Buddhist and deist. Pro-Christian. Pro-Jew. No comment on Islam. SINK. 100% Pure Southern

You have that gazpacho swirling around in your gourd and you accuse me of bigotry? Why? Because you don't have enough conviction to make a choice about anything, except perhaps your daily beverage of choice at Starbuck's?

34 posted on 05/26/2004 5:55:06 PM PDT by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: driftless

Too bad. You may not like it, but the left will continue to use the tactic and it must be used against them. Respect is earned, not given, especially to socialist elitist fools. If left unchallenged, they begin to think that everyone accepts their drivel. The revolution is beginning and the left must be defeated anyway possible.


35 posted on 05/26/2004 5:56:23 PM PDT by bfree (Liberals are EVIL!!!)
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To: swilhelm73
This is reminiscent of self-appointed populist Michael Moore blaming boos at the Oscars two years ago on lowly stage hands and hooligans in the cheap seats.

But...but...Moore says he's FOR the little guy.

36 posted on 05/26/2004 5:57:47 PM PDT by Lizavetta (Savage is right - extreme liberalism is a mental disorder.)
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To: driftless; Texaggie79; Dog Gone
"Personally I don't believe in heckling even a stupid, leftist assw... like Doctorow. Silence would be a better weapon."

I disagree. In the 1980's Texas was still a Democratic Party state, but no one really knew that a revolution was coming.

...at least, they didn't know it until the Cotton Bowl one year when Democratic Governor Mark White decided to walk onto the field to give a partisan speech.

He was booed, heckled, and shouted off the field. Texan after Texan looked around, amazed that everyone else felt like they did, disgusted by the liberal-left politics of the state's Democrats.

You see, the liberal newspapers hadn't been revealing just how much sentiment was against the various uber-liberal state funding/school-spending and general Democratic Party nonsense that was going on.

But at that one massively public event, tens of thousands of Texans suddenly realized that they weren't alone...and so too did millions in the TV audience.

It was a watershed event. It led directly to Republican control of the entire state in a brief amount of time.

Silence would not have accomplished that feat.

It was a spontaneous, grass-roots expression in the most public of forums (i.e. packed football stadium and big TV audience) that changed the course of history.

It surprised everyone simply because the shift (or rise) in anger towards the Democrats hadn't been reported. The media had censored that news...but all of a sudden the cat was out of the bag, never to be returned to its old dark state.

Likewise, the anger against left-wing PC nonsense on college campuses is being censored. It will take these sorts of shout-downs to break that information bottleneck, get the word out, and hasten the Rightward shift that must inevitably occur there.

37 posted on 05/26/2004 5:58:40 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: driftless

I approve of heckling. The only alternative protest that would be effective (perhaps more effective) would be to rise and leave the hall until the speaker was finished. Five people doing this is a smoke break. Five hundred people leaving will suck the lifeforce right out of a leftist through the eyes.


38 posted on 05/26/2004 5:59:11 PM PDT by Petronski (They could choose between shame and war: Some chose shame, but got war anyway.)
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To: Atomic Vomit
Not satisfied with just being Atomic Vomit, you sign your name, Mr. Atomic Vomit. Haha! Stop! You're killin' me!


40 posted on 05/26/2004 6:10:30 PM PDT by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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