Posted on 05/26/2004 1:55:24 AM PDT by kattracks
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Consider the students at Al Noor, a private Islamic school in Brooklyn that was written up by the New York Times a few weeks after the September 11, 2001 attacks. These mostly American-born teenagers told the Times reporter, Susan Sachs, that their "ideal society would follow Islamic law and make no separation between religion and state." They empathized with "the young Muslims around the world who profess hatred for America and Americans," and some said they would abandon America to "support any leader who they decided was fighting for Islam." They felt the anti-U.S. hatred of Moslems abroad was not directed at themselves, because, as a 16-year-old boy told Sachs, "Muslims are all one. They kind of think of us as just living in America [emphasis added]," an impression the boy did not contest. Yet even as they described America as an alien country that deserves the hate of Moslems, they refused to believe that Osama bin Laden or any Muslim could have attacked America; in other words, America is the antithesis of Islam and ought to be destroyed, but Moslems, as the very embodiments of goodness, are innocent of any attempt to destroy it.
or consider
A Muslim Patriot's Call
The Arizona Republic via FrontPage Magazine ^ | October 13, 2003 | Oubai Mohammad Shahbandar
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1000468/posts
Posted on 10/13/2003 4:03:04 PM CDT by quidnunc
Where is the outrage in the American Muslim community?
Two years after 9/11, the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR), the American Muslim Council (AMC), the Muslim Students Association (MSA) and similar groups are still respectfully regarded as the voices of American Muslims, despite the fact that members of these organizations have been apologists for extremism and even linked to terrorist groups. Almost no one - Muslim or non-Muslim - dares criticize these groups for their positions or their associations.
What's more, these groups shamelessly attack, demean and attempt to intimidate Muslims who are loyal to this great nation. They continue to attempt to persuade American Muslims to view themselves not as patriots but as victims.
Muslim community newspapers are silent about these issues. They write nothing about the MSA-directed groups that stage anti-American rallies, attack people who speak out about the pernicious activities of the Saudis, or simply challenge the talking points of the establishment Muslim groups on anything taking place in the Arab and Islamic worlds.
In particular, proud Muslims who are also proud Americans need to tell the truth about Wahhabism, the intolerant and militant brand of Islam being exported from Saudi Arabia and which is defended in the United States by CAIR, AMC and MSA.
I know about these issues firsthand. As a Muslim student at Arizona State University who abhors Wahhabism, I've been the victim of MSA's hate campaigns. For my efforts in organizing a "Support our Troops" rally the day that Operation Iraqi Freedom started, I was told by several MSA members that I was "going to hell." In a Letter to the Editor in the campus paper, the president of the MSA even accused me of being guilty of bigotry toward Arabs and Muslims. In his view, it was anti-Muslim of me to want to see Iraqi Muslims liberated from the oppression of Saddam Hussein, who has murdered more Muslims than anyone else in this century, and perhaps in any century.
Terrorism has not been far from the Arizona State University campus. On May 9, a Saudi student at ASU, Muhammad Al-Gurashi, was arrested; he had been the driver who escorted convicted terrorist supporter Faisal Al-Salmi to President Bush's Crawford, Texas, ranch on what were apparently reconnaissance missions.
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Very brave of you to tout your faith here, Valin, but you might want to consider that, according to the Holy texts, the Wahhabists are better Muslims than you are. Islam brooks no half-measures nor tolerates watering down.
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/
Please read at least some of this site. It's not hateful and the writer went into the project with total impartiality.
BTTT with a 7.62mm bullet.
We can do this now or we can do this later after a bloody civil war.
How do we maintain this reputation?
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All muzlim religions are bad...Very bad...2+2 still equals 4, doesn't it???
I will say that all Arabs are not bad...But muzlims, yes, they are all bad...
Can't you people get it??? Christians with hats do not mass murder people...The group you're trying to protect does...
We need to control these people and this movement, just as we did the Communist threat of the 20th Century. No more "free" rides for those who desire to subvert America!
To remain a Muslim AT ALL, a Muslim may not take the side of non-Muslims against Muslims. This means he may not fight fellow Muslims, or report on fellow Muslims to non-Muslim police. Thus the radical alligators can swim in the swamp of "moderate" Muslims without fear of exposure. You have to drain the swamp
Just like not all Christians or Jews are good. Some Muslims never show up to the mosques, they really don't hate Jewish people, they don't want to kill anyone, even if their mullahs order them to kill they might not obey, they might not wish to see Koranic law replace the US Constitution, they might not believe in polygamy or much else Islam stands for --- they might even prefer the freedom to choose their religion, think for themselves --- but if they dare to leave Islam, it's the death penalty. Just like Salman Rushdie will be killed just for questioning and criticizing Islam.
But for Christians it's a choice --- a Christian woman isn't going to beat up if she doesn't wear a hat or scarf, Christian men aren't going to think she's asking to be raped if she doesn't have it on --- it's totally up to her.
Look what happens to women in Saudi or Iran if they don't have their faced covered. That's why it should be banned like it is in Turkey.
Yes, mgist, the Devil surely has his
ways, and one of these ways is called
FUNDAMENTALIST ISLAM.
The Media
IS
"The Matrix"
Wake Up
America
Wake Up
Outlaw Islam.
arrrrrg!!!!!!!
Close ALL MADRASSAS in the US period.
Not all Moslems are bad,
By the time you figure out which are the good ones, the bad ones will have slit your throat and fed you your own tongue and gutted and beheaded your family. Just how tolerant are you willing to be? I have a feeling ALL moslems given the chance will become ONE and destroy us. Wake up to the real world. Its a holy war!! Christian against non-Christian. You'll die in your grey area.
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