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1 posted on 05/25/2004 12:38:15 PM PDT by Rams82
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To: Rams82

Zzzzzzz.

Another book peddler.


2 posted on 05/25/2004 12:43:00 PM PDT by ambrose (AP Headline: "Kerry Says His 'Family' Owns SUV, Not He")
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To: Rams82

Yea, I'm a good man. And I've made mistakes.
I'll readily correct at least one mistake by passing on any more of Clancy's books....


3 posted on 05/25/2004 12:45:31 PM PDT by rockrr ("If this were a perfect world, Democrats would just be a bad memory - like Typhoid")
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On this one I'll have to depart with Clancy. Situated between Iran and Syria, Iraq had become a hotbed of terrorist activity, with it's leader actually paying Palestinian families of suicide bombers. Hussein was passing around his funds to some pretty unsavory groups. He had to go.

Afghanistan is coming along. Iraq will too. It is disturbing to watch the lack of patience for this all to play out.


5 posted on 05/25/2004 12:46:17 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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"I don't think it's worth 800 dead"

I'd like to ask the general if he thinks the Civil War was worth 600,000 dead.
8 posted on 05/25/2004 12:48:48 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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"Clancy recalled a prewar encounter in Washington during which he "almost came to blows" with Richard Perle, a Pentagon adviser at the time and a longtime advocate of the invasion."

Somehow I just can't believe this one...


9 posted on 05/25/2004 12:50:05 PM PDT by Rams82
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it lacked a "casus belli,"

It did have a casus belli, everything was by the book. They could have gone in at any time following the Gulf War.

10 posted on 05/25/2004 12:50:25 PM PDT by RightWhale (Theorems link concepts; proofs establish links)
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The boy was a Clinton Kiss up.


11 posted on 05/25/2004 12:51:08 PM PDT by bmwcyle (<a href="http://www.johnkerry.com/" target="_blank">miserable failure)
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The last few times I have seen clancey, he has an arrogant SOB.

This is another book I won't buy.


12 posted on 05/25/2004 12:51:59 PM PDT by SeeRushToldU_So (We step on pissants in Georgia.)
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"...citing it as proof that "good men make mistakes"."

Well that makes two for you Tom. This one and your relationship with general "Sell-Em Out Zinni".

13 posted on 05/25/2004 12:58:16 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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I support W more than ever and I (I'm a 20yr+ Army employee)am starting to feel that my Army has let my president down. Todays soldier is the best anyone has ever fielded but as for the brass, I've seen too many bad decisions, too much reluctance to face bad news and too much blame shifting and ass-covering in peacetime to believe that it hasn't become part of the culture.


14 posted on 05/25/2004 12:59:59 PM PDT by HarleyWoodrowMantz
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This is every bit as smart as a country music group criticizing GW. Who does this bozo think his audience is, a bunch of whining, myopic demoRATS? I predict a major flop. Clancy, and all the rest of the blind whiners, can kiss my a**. Yeah, such a bad idea, putting a friendly democracy in the midst of our enemies. Not worth it? What a moron. As for our reputation, it was always us and our fair-weather friends, excepting Britain, and our "reputation" was always just one policy disagreement away from being trashed, anyway. The U.S. trying to gain Eurotrash support is about as easy as a Republican president getting democRAT support: undo-able.


15 posted on 05/25/2004 1:02:42 PM PDT by jim35 (Will the press still be anti-war when a democRAT is in office?)
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To: Rams82

Clancy was on Hannity last night and made an idiot of himself by trying to impress all with how intelligent he himself is while trying to trip up Sean with his reply.

Who knows what in the world he was saying? Such a pompous man. He does not care how much he helps trash Bush as long as he gets the book deal. Well - this person will sure not buy it.


20 posted on 05/25/2004 1:20:16 PM PDT by ClancyJ (It's just not safe to vote Democratic.)
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To: Rams82

Clancy was on Hannity last night and made an idiot of himself by trying to impress all with how intelligent he himself is while trying to trip up Sean with his reply.

Who knows what in the world he was saying? Such a pompous man. He does not care how much he helps trash Bush as long as he gets the book deal. Well - this person will sure not buy it.


21 posted on 05/25/2004 1:20:17 PM PDT by ClancyJ (It's just not safe to vote Democratic.)
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Screw Tom Clancy....I tried to read Rainbow 6......it was so tedious and long that I gave up after about 100 pages...Now I have to erase my copy of Red October....I am done with this particular jerk.

B.O.

22 posted on 05/25/2004 1:26:30 PM PDT by B.O. Plenty (god.....I hate politicians)
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"But I don't think it's worth 800 troops dead, 4500 wounded - some of them terribly - $US200 billion ($286.8 billion) of our treasury and counting, and our reputation and our image in the world, particularly in that region, shattered."

I don't, either.
23 posted on 05/25/2004 1:44:06 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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Tom Pansy is just another in the long line of conservative media figures who sell out their principles in order to gain respectability from the liberal establishment.

He ought to be ashamed of himself.


24 posted on 05/25/2004 1:45:22 PM PDT by GulliverSwift (Leftists & Islamists, the coalition of the evil.)
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He should go back to writing his novels (other people write them for him now) and quit second-guessing.

In every war mistakes get made, from corporal to commander-in-chief. When the dust settles, this will be one for military academies worldwide to study. I know some people over there, and it's gone amazingly well.

26 posted on 05/25/2004 1:54:19 PM PDT by Snake65 (Osama Bin Decomposing)
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"But I don't think it's worth 800 troops dead

Perhaps to the short sighted Zinni, the goal was the end of the Sadaam era. How about if you add to that providing a stable government that rejects terrorism, keeping the oil flowing to the world, isolating Iran and Syria, and signalling Pakistan that extremist Islam will not win the day. Because those are the stakes, and those are the results we seek as we move forward in Iraq.

The dominoe theory was scoffed at in the 60s in Southeast Asia, but make no mistake, it is alive and well in the expanded Middle East and Central Asia. If we fail now and retreat, one by one, beginning with the Saudi royal family, governmnets moderate toward the West will fall.

Just as with Al Qaeda, there was a time when Nazi Germany could have been stopped But her weaknesses transformed into parity and finally superiority. Likewise, there will come a time in that region of the world when Al Qaeda will merge with every terrorist group in the world, and as those countries finally come under their control, they will develop and use weapons of mass destruction to achieve their goal of total control of that part of the world. It will then result in a war that even the peaceniks who believe we can talk to these people will understand.

But on the bright side, it will give Clancy one hell of a plotline to work on.

27 posted on 05/25/2004 1:59:37 PM PDT by MACVSOG68
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To: Rams82

I am disappointed by Clancy's position here because he always seemed to have a good head on his shoulders. However, I am happy to see that this man can at least provide one good example of loyal and civil dissent in this country, in direct contrast to all of the treasonous hyperbole and propaganda we've been seeing. I'm all for free speech, and everyone is entitled to his opinion. At least this guy shows (as far as I've seen so far, not having seen his book or seen him much on TV) how a loyal American citizen goes about expressing his disagreement. I wish the Left would take note.


28 posted on 05/25/2004 2:12:09 PM PDT by fr_freak
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His books have been going downhill for years now, a disappointment because I used to be a solid fan. I won't ever touch his books after this, though, he should know better.


29 posted on 05/25/2004 2:13:54 PM PDT by Tamzee (Kerry's just a gigolo, and everywhere he goes, people know the part he's playing...)
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