Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Oh, goody, gang . . . Let's stand by and allow another totalitarian dictatorship to become a superpower, the last Cold War was so much fun!

Sheesh, I sure hope the Pentagon is further along in its ABM development and deployment plans than it appears.

1 posted on 05/24/2004 5:27:30 PM PDT by LibWhacker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies ]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021 next last
To: LibWhacker

Did Bill Clinton sell them the plans?


2 posted on 05/24/2004 5:32:53 PM PDT by boomop1
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: LibWhacker

Ain't the results of onesided 'freetrade' grand! ;->


3 posted on 05/24/2004 5:36:44 PM PDT by inflation (Cuba = BAD, China = Good? Why, should both be treated the way Cuba is?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: LibWhacker
This building program underwritten by trade with the United States of America.

To hear the economists tell it, China doesn't need these subs. She's soooooo friendly with the U.S. A.H.s!

4 posted on 05/24/2004 5:41:06 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: LibWhacker
The PLAN does not associate a crew with a specific submarine. Crews live ashore and are assigned a sub for a given mission.
What brilliant PLANNING in the PLAN. Why allow a crew the time or training to become intimately knowledgeable of any one boat? A submarine is as unsophisticated and easy to operate as a pontoon raft--you just get in it and go ... if you want to die at some absurd depth because your hull breaches while being chased by self-propelled guided munitions ....

Apparently the Chicomms are afraid that entire ships will defect. We should mount plans to help them realize that fear.
6 posted on 05/24/2004 5:45:05 PM PDT by Asclepius (protectionists would outsource our dignity and prosperity in return for illusory job security)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Jeff Head
"The Chinese submarine force is undergoing rapid conversion to modern propulsion, sensor and weapons technologies."

Tell the truth Jeff, you authored this article dincha'?

For those that don't know, our very own Jeff Head saw this some years ago and told about it in his Dragons Fury books.

Very scary, bro.

7 posted on 05/24/2004 5:48:38 PM PDT by knarf (A place where anyone can learn anything ... especially that which promotes clear thinking.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: LibWhacker

Just using the tech they bought from Boner Bill.


8 posted on 05/24/2004 5:49:34 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Retrosexual Vietnam veteran against John Kerry, proud to be a "crook" and a "liar.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: LibWhacker

Has anyone heard anything about the "gas torpedo" that the ChiComs were supposedly developing? It would sure fit in with this story! The weapon was supposed to ride a cloud of bubbles, under water, at speeds around 200mph. The thrust of the report (maybe around 1998) was that a carrier group would be sitting ducks for such a weapon. I never heard another thing about it after the inital report.


10 posted on 05/24/2004 5:51:31 PM PDT by TalBlack ("Tal, no song means anything without someone else....")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: LibWhacker

I got into a real good arguement with another on here a few weeks back who said that in NO WAY will the Red Chinese be able to attack the US. The fellow seemed to think that they could not sustain a two or three pronged attack aimed agianst us over the world.

Here is the plan as I would see it. They got at least 500 thousand so called advisors in East Africa..some reports that I have seen estimates over one million. So the use the help of the Muslims in the mid east to send off against the oil reserve nations cutting off oil supplies to us. Does anyone think that the Muslims wouldnt help them if it would come to killing American and Israel people?

They OWN both ends of the Panama canal. How many people they have down there is anybodys guess. I would not be shocked that the figure is around a half million or more. So they cut off the use of the canal. Then how many in Cuba. They have evidence that they are building bunkers in Cuba. What the "H" do they need bunkers in Cuba for? Then the island in the Carrib owned and run by the Lippo group as a "port" facility. Ya right. A port facility. And what is being stored amoungst the merch within some of those buildings?

Then comes North Korea. They need North Korea to settle down and shut up for now. Then when time is right look out. It isnt to far to run up the coast to the Bering Straights and across.

Point is. They can cut off our oil supply (one front), let North Korea start something on that peninsula (second front). Get it going around the Carib and South America and send em off through Mexico from Panama (third front). Think they need food? Nope. They eat everything. They'll simply use whats at hand leaving the locals to starve..as if they care. All they need is arms and the means to ship manpower over here..that is more manpower, as no doubt they'll have enough people salted within our boarders to disrupt the heck out of us.

This all takes time. And time they have had and will continue to have for a while. We are busy with the Iraq and Afganistan crisis. So they are busy doing what they need to do.

Can we sustain and fight a three front war?


12 posted on 05/24/2004 5:53:39 PM PDT by crz
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: LibWhacker

As this happens we are considering cutting our attack sub force by as much as a third:

http://www.murdoconline.net/archives/001298.html

We had better be careful. I know that "Cold War weapons" are out of fashion, but they can come in handy when fighting superpower wanabees.


16 posted on 05/24/2004 6:03:15 PM PDT by murdocj (Murdoc Online - Everyone is entitled to my opinion (http://www.murdoconline.net))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: LibWhacker

093s appear to be a highly destablizing factor on the face of it. Because aggreements such as the SALT series do not include the PRC as a signatory, they can pretty much bulk up to their heart's desire limited only by their spend and their will. Meanwhile, the US are disarming in terms of ICBMs. How can we call the PRC a "competitive partner" with a straight face when they are behaving the way the USSR was behaving round about the early 1960s?


25 posted on 05/24/2004 6:15:40 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Right makes right!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: LibWhacker; All
These submarines, built with Russian technical advice, are similar to the Russian Victor III class.

And how were the Russians able to build such quiet submarines? Toshiba sold them computer controlled machine tools to fab their propellers. They were found guilty by an international court and sentenced to a meaningless fine. Click here

This single act has undoubtedly cost the taxpayers of this country billions in order to develop new methods of detecting Russian subs and could cost us our freedom in the future.

Boycott Toshiba forever!

28 posted on 05/24/2004 6:19:44 PM PDT by Rockitz (After all these years, it's still rocket science.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: LibWhacker
The Peoples Liberation Army Navy (PLAN)...is undergoing rapid conversion to modern propulsion, sensor and weapons technologies.

Thanks but no thanks WalMart.

32 posted on 05/24/2004 6:46:47 PM PDT by Darheel (Visit the strange and wonderful.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: LibWhacker
This is little more than silly school-girl hysteria on the part of the writer.....

10 Virginia-class subs of the US fleet could sink every other capital ship IN THE WORLD in just a few days.....with impunity. Not only that, our boats are at sea and we could put most of them at sea on VERY short notice. When you combine that with our integrated ASW system (airborne , shipborne and worldwide passive detection) it'd be little more than a turkey shoot.

Our domination of the seas will continue for at least a couple of decades even if no further systems are deployed. Any navy that dares challenges us will have a short, but exciting life.

36 posted on 05/24/2004 7:30:24 PM PDT by Mariner
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: LibWhacker

Let's stand by and allow another totalitarian dictatorship to become a superpower, the last Cold War was so much fun!"

Oh, I don't think the Chinese are interested in a cold war.

China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation (CSIC)
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/csic.htm

People's Liberation Army Navy
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/row/plan/



Report to Congress Pursuant to the FY2000 National Defense Authorization Act
ANNUAL REPORT ON THE MILITARY POWER OF THE PEOPLE’S REPUBLIC OF CHINA




..............Doctrine of Preemption and Surprise.
Chinese doctrine continues to emphasize surprise, deception, and shock effect in the opening phase of a campaign.
In addition to development or procurement of “Assassin’s Mace” weapon systems to counter intervening U.S. forces, China is exploring coercive strategies designed to bring Taipei to terms quickly.

Military Budget. In
March 2002, China announced a 17.5 percent or $3 billion increase in spending, bringing the publicly reported total to $20 billion.
Estimates of total spending range from $45 billion to $65 billion; annual spending could increase in real terms three- to four-fold by 2020.
For the fourth year in a row, contracts for advanced weapons systems from Russia were $ 2 billion--double the average annual figure throughout the 1990s.


44 posted on 05/24/2004 9:00:33 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: LibWhacker

50 posted on 05/24/2004 11:58:55 PM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: LibWhacker

http://www.warroom.com/panamacanal.htm


52 posted on 05/25/2004 5:16:57 AM PDT by crz
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Jeff Head

Straight out of the pages of your novel.


53 posted on 05/25/2004 6:22:36 AM PDT by Jack Black
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: LibWhacker

lot of people think that by paying the chicoms tribute in the form of a 100 billion dollar trade surplus every year will keep the Dragon peaceful and cooperative. I fear that they are in for a horrific awakening one day.


54 posted on 05/25/2004 6:33:02 AM PDT by Eternal_Bear
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: LibWhacker

lot of people think that by paying the chicoms tribute in the form of a 100 billion dollar trade surplus every year will keep the Dragon peaceful and cooperative. I fear that they are in for a horrific awakening one day.


55 posted on 05/25/2004 6:34:44 AM PDT by Eternal_Bear
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: LibWhacker
Let them build whatever tubs they want.

Our submariners will kick their ass. NOBODY outwits or outplays our Silent Service.

Nobody.

86 posted on 05/25/2004 7:53:16 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,Election '04...It's going to be a bumpy ride,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021 next last

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson