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Benjamin Britten's War Requiem
http://www.yankeemagazine.com/travel/search/onelisting.php?number=16092 ^ | rc30

Posted on 05/24/2004 11:59:15 AM PDT by RC30

There was a new flyer on the door of our church the other day advertising a play (concert?) called 'War Requiem.' I asked our Pastor if he knew anything about the advetisement and he said no, so I told him I'd research it. I did some research with google, but I dont see any truly revealing information about this musical work, other than it was written by Benjamin Britten for a church in England that was being rebuilt after the war. I found a couple of references to it possibly being used to protest the Vietnam War.

The church I go to is pretty conservative and being in Newport, RI has quite a few members that are in the Military (mostly Navy). Also I looked up the church in Providence, RI where this event is to be held and it would seem All Saints Memorial is an Episcopal Church who's Priest doesnt seem to think that New Hampshire's homosexual Bishop is a bad idea.


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So have any conservative Christians seen 'War Requiem' and have any thoughts? Do any other FReepers have additional insight? Im thinking of asking the Pastor if I can pull the advertisement down, as I dont seem to think this is an appropriate event for our Church to be advertising/promoting, but want to be well informed.

Thanks in advance!
1 posted on 05/24/2004 11:59:16 AM PDT by RC30
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Hey, I just noticed that there will be a pre-concert lecture. Somehow I keep disliking this more and more :-)
2 posted on 05/24/2004 12:01:24 PM PDT by RC30
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To: RC30

I saw the War Requiem Mass at the Kennedy Center in 1995. Absolutely stunning although disquieting. The poetry of Winfried Owen is interspersed with the Latin Mass for the dead.

You might also check http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~tan/Britten/britwar.html


3 posted on 05/24/2004 12:03:14 PM PDT by Hurtgen (Iconoclast and proselytizer for the US Infantryman)
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To: RC30
I'm not familiar with the piece, but I did find this article, from which I quote:

"The War Requiem was not meant to be a pro-British piece or a glorification of British soldiers, but a public statement of Britten's anti-war convictions. It was a denunciation of the wickedness of war, not of other men."

FWIW

4 posted on 05/24/2004 12:03:37 PM PDT by MozartLover ("I have of late, but wherefore I know not ,lost all my mirth.......")
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About Benjamin Britten:

"There was a commission to write a major work for the opening of the rebuilt Coventry Cathedral in the English Midlands. The original city cathedral had been destroyed in massive bombing by the Luftwaffe. The 1961 inaugural service was to be a major event of reconciliation and Britten rose to the challenge with his War Requiem. This was by far the most successful work to emerge from the Coventry celebrations. It eclipsed Arthur Bliss’s Beatitudes, a work of comparable sincerity and achievement but which suffered in the glare of the glittering success of the War Requiem as also, to a slightly lesser degree, did Tippett’s opera King Priam, another work premiered in Coventry at the time. The War Requiem was first performed in Russia in Moscow in May 1966."

It had nothing whatever to do with Vietnam. It's a beautiful piece, once you get used to Britten's harmonies. (Mozart, Berlioz and Verdi it ain't.)

5 posted on 05/24/2004 12:04:15 PM PDT by Publius (VRWC member since 1963.)
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Don't know much about the War Requiem itself, but Britten was a homosexual. He used the tenor Peter Pears in just about all his operas, and he and Pears were lovers. No surprise, though, I guess, them being British...


6 posted on 05/24/2004 12:04:17 PM PDT by mozarky2 (Ya never stand so tall as when ya stoop to stomp a statist.)
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Look up War Requiem Britten on Amazon.com music and look at the customer's comments. It's an anti-war 'peace' composition.


7 posted on 05/24/2004 12:08:00 PM PDT by squarebarb (I hear America singing, the varied carols I hear...Walt Whitman)
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To: RC30

It's a stirring piece of music, and a condemnation of war in general. It was written in commemoration of the destruction of Coventry Cathedral in England during WWII.

I have performed in the orchestra for the piece several times, including once in Coventry Cathedral as it is today.

It's not about Vietnam. It's not about even WWII. It is about war. Unless you celebrate warfare as something to be hoped for, it will not offend you.

However, Britten's music does not please every ear.


8 posted on 05/24/2004 12:10:07 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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Before you go dumping on Britten and Pears, be aware that they kept the art of German lieder alive after World War II.

The war had taken a huge toll on the art of singing songs by Schubert, Schumann, Mendelssohn, Brahms, Mahler and Wolf. The great lieder singers of yore had died, and the new crop of singers that would have continued this tradition had lost their lives fighting for or against Hitler.

Britten and Pears established a school for lieder singers and accompanists at Aldeburgh, and they alone kept that great tradition alive. Such luminary accompanists as Gerald Moore and Graham Johnson came through Aldeburgh during their careers.

Even if Britten had not been a great composer, his work at Aldeburgh would have guaranteed him a place of immortality.

9 posted on 05/24/2004 12:10:35 PM PDT by Publius (VRWC member since 1963.)
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"Britten and Pears established a school for lieder singers and accompanists at Aldeburgh, and they alone kept that great tradition alive. Such luminary accompanists as Gerald Moore and Graham Johnson came through Aldeburgh during their careers. "

That's true. Britten also wrote a good deal of music for wind orchestras...all standards in the repertory of academic bands.

His music does not appeal to everyone, but is brilliant, nonetheless. I can see nothing about being gay that has anything to do with writing music.


10 posted on 05/24/2004 12:13:00 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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I can see nothing about being gay that has anything to do with writing music.

Especially now that we know that Franz Schubert, the greatest of all lieder composers, was himself gay.

11 posted on 05/24/2004 12:15:57 PM PDT by Publius (VRWC member since 1963.)
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Didn't know that-I love lieder-yes, especially Schubert's-I have Wintereisse, Knaben, Wayfarer, etc.....also have a recording of Britten's Prince of the Pagodas...love it...


12 posted on 05/24/2004 12:20:17 PM PDT by mozarky2 (Ya never stand so tall as when ya stoop to stomp a statist.)
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Britten's and Pears' 1965 recording of Winterreise is still available on CD. Britten's pedaling on the piano is amazing, and Pears' insights into the songs are hair-raising.
13 posted on 05/24/2004 12:23:45 PM PDT by Publius (VRWC member since 1963.)
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It is certianly his best work IMO. I met him once toward the end of his life. An uneven composer but this is a good work. It is actually pretty (musically) conservative for the times.


14 posted on 05/24/2004 12:24:03 PM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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"Unless you celebrate warfare as something to be hoped for, it will not offend you."

Wow you guys are quick, thanks for your thoughts. I'm having some second thoughts about taking the flyer down but I'm not quite sure yet, especially since learning that there is going to be a lecture as well. I can only imagine what the lecture will be. While of course everyone would agree that war is never a wanted thing, I think most reasonable people would agree that at times it is a necessary evil. While perhaps Britten intended this to be against war in general, I think this particular audition may be used for the purposes of a liberal church to promote animosity toward the US presense in Iraq.

I could be entirely wrong, and hopefully I am. But as a conservative Christian who supports the US position in Iraq, I dont want our church to be a welcome place for the likes of ANSWER members etc. Dont get me wrong I think you can be against this was in Iraq, but I think any Christian who is also an ANSWER member (or the like) would be deluded and intolerable :-)
15 posted on 05/24/2004 12:32:16 PM PDT by RC30
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To: CasearianDaoist

"It is certianly his best work IMO. I met him once toward the end of his life. "

I would agree. The performance at Coventry that I participated in as an oboist was nothing short of chilling. It is an enormous work, both musically, and in personnel requirements. I felt very lucky to be able to participate, even in a small way.

I never had an opportunity to meet the man, and envy you that. I would have liked to congratulate him on his work.


16 posted on 05/24/2004 12:32:50 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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"Wow you guys are quick, thanks for your thoughts. I'm having some second thoughts about taking the flyer down but I'm not quite sure yet, especially since learning that there is going to be a lecture as well. "

I'm glad you're having second thoughts. This work is a religious work, incorporating the Mass. The lecture? Well, I don't have any idea what it's about. Perhaps you should look into that.

By the way, do you have the authority to remove this poster from your church? If not, I suggest you leave it to those who do.


17 posted on 05/24/2004 12:35:24 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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That is right, it has great wind parts now that I think of it.

Britten wrote a lot for oboe didn't he? I had quite forgot that. Are there not quite a few solo and small chamber works that features the oboe?

There are several good British composers from that time that do not get their due. Vaughn-Williams comes to mind.

All of them were push out by the dodecophonic "jesuits" as I call them. Are you a UK citizen?

You should listen to Hadyn's Mass in a Time of War - the two worked remind me of each other in an oblique sort of way. Nothing directly mind you.

18 posted on 05/24/2004 12:42:22 PM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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Are there not quite a few solo and small chamber works that features the oboe?

Mozart: Quartet for Oboe and Strings in F, K. 370

19 posted on 05/24/2004 12:45:05 PM PDT by Publius (VRWC member since 1963.)
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I meant by Britten. If you liked that Mozart piece you might try Richard Strauss' Oboe Concerto which while not a chamber work is a loving tribute to Mozart that uses a very strange mixture of classical and very late Romantic style (I think it was written in the 04's.)

Pardon me if you already know it. It is a wonderful piece that has too few listeners.

20 posted on 05/24/2004 12:50:09 PM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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