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U.S. is set to erect virtual borders
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Posted on 05/24/2004 11:07:19 AM PDT by esryle

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To: Bella_Bru
....Once visitors arrive at U.S. checkpoints

This this include Mexican 'coyotes' responsible for smuggling in the entire population of Mexico?

21 posted on 05/24/2004 11:50:41 AM PDT by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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To: Shermy

I'm sure the Mexicans sneaking across the border will telegraph their intentions. Another WASTE of money.


22 posted on 05/24/2004 11:55:10 AM PDT by John Lenin (Nothing is wrong with California that a rise in the ocean level wouldn't cure)
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To: esryle

HA.
And what effect will it have on our southern border !?


23 posted on 05/24/2004 11:58:03 AM PDT by traumer
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To: Bella_Bru

yeah a real border here in arizona would be great. I am sick of the Illegals sucking up my tax dollars almost as fast as or DIM governer can spend it.


24 posted on 05/24/2004 12:00:36 PM PDT by Americanwolf (Former Navy AO3... IYAOYAS!!!! Population control and landscaping with a bang!)
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To: unixfox

"These people must be living in the spirit world. ILLEGALS and TERRORISTS don't use passports or border crossings to enter the country. "

Sure they do. How do you think the 19 9/11 terrorists got into the country? Further, lots of illegal aliens came here on tourist or student visas and just stayed.

While many cross the border in other ways, a heckuva lot of illegals entered the country through normal crossing points, but not for the reason they stated.

We have no effective way at this time to find and deport these people.


25 posted on 05/24/2004 12:03:02 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Americanwolf

Our Republican gov in Cali spends it pretty fast too.


26 posted on 05/24/2004 12:12:19 PM PDT by Bella_Bru (It's for the children = It takes a village)
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To: Bella_Bru

But it's Arnnhoolddd! ok that does not make it right... I am just wondering how long does it go before someone does something irrational and dangerous, because the government fails to act up the illegal crossings.


27 posted on 05/24/2004 12:18:49 PM PDT by Americanwolf (Former Navy AO3... IYAOYAS!!!! Population control and landscaping with a bang!)
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To: esryle

I would settle for some real ones.


28 posted on 05/24/2004 12:20:14 PM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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To: esryle
a network of computer databases to track visitors to the United States long before they set foot here.

Unless they come across the Rio Grande?

29 posted on 05/24/2004 12:21:04 PM PDT by sionnsar (sionnsar: the part of the bagpipe where the melody comes out |||| http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com/)
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To: inflation
(I guess the guy that worked in construction at my church who lost his job because they replaced all the legals with illegals is just a fluke) :-<

Not a fluke. Policy.

30 posted on 05/24/2004 12:22:50 PM PDT by Shermy
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I remember one of Gingrich's standard speeches deals with the aility of gas company's to accept charge cards at millions of gas pumps, keep track of everything and bill without problem. What is the big deal about tracking 300 border crossings?

A virtual program will, of course, stop 100% of the vitual river swimmers, dope and kerrorists but very little of the real thing. Why do these folks think that bads guys and Muslims will choose a border crossing point and not just sneak across like MILLIONS of illegal criminals do? Spend the money putting troops and ammunition BEWTEEN border crossing locations!

31 posted on 05/24/2004 12:28:21 PM PDT by Tacis (,)
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ILLEGALS and TERRORISTS don't use passports or border crossings to enter the country.

They might use passports, but they'll be fake, and if that get's too hard, they'll just join the conga line streaming across the SW Mexican border.

Tough to see how this will do much good.

32 posted on 05/24/2004 12:28:28 PM PDT by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: esryle

Comming soon to a state border near you....


33 posted on 05/24/2004 12:30:00 PM PDT by konijn
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To: Bella_Bru

Wouldn't we be better off by changing the "rewards" to illegals?

How about eliminating welfare and other social services for all aliens, legal and otherwise?

How about mandatory sentencing for fraud and identity theft?

How about prosecuting judges with mandatory sentences who decide not to rule a guilty verdict simply because the INS would have to take the perpetrator of a violent crime?

How about more stringent rules against any employee that uses more than one identity during employment without proper certification from either the Bureau of Records (married/divorce name changes) or from court orders? (I have worked retirement plans, this happens a lot and the employers are not allowed to do ask any questions or to follow up).

How about turning ambulances back at the border?

How about hospitals not admitting anyone coming out of a Mexican ambulance? How about arresting the drivers?

How about tax penalties for those who require the government to translate its documents, services or transactions to a language other than English?


34 posted on 05/24/2004 12:31:10 PM PDT by saveliberty (Liberal= in need of therapy, but would rather ruin lives of those less fortunate to feel good)
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Your list is missing one item:

Punish and fine businesses, small and large, that knowingly hire illegals, even for day labor.

35 posted on 05/24/2004 12:37:03 PM PDT by Bella_Bru (It's for the children = It takes a village)
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To: esryle

Absolutely amazing. Where to begin.......

Just when you think that the powers that be can not possibly get MORE clueless, they come out with something like this.

How will this program stop the 3000 to 5000 illegal criminal trespassers that cross our borders between legal checkpoints EVERY 24 HOURS?


El Presedente Jorge Booooosh needs to buy a clue.


36 posted on 05/24/2004 12:37:04 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: inflation

"And how will this help stop the millions that cross our borders each year?"

It won't.


37 posted on 05/24/2004 1:04:57 PM PDT by ought-six
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To: Bella_Bru

Thanks.

I didn't forget that item though.

There are strict rules as to what kinds of questions can ask.

I will agree if the rules are changed that the businesses can ask any question that relates to finding out if someone is here illegally.


38 posted on 05/24/2004 1:15:59 PM PDT by saveliberty (Liberal= in need of therapy, but would rather ruin lives of those less fortunate to feel good)
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To: saveliberty
If you are picking up guys outside of Home Depot, you can be pretty positive that they are illegal.

Not only that, but you have to produce certain docs to fill out the I-9 portion of your pre-employment paperwork. One of those docs is proof of citizenship or national or resident alien proof.

Some employers ignore this and don't bother to check.

Fine them. Into bankruptcy.

39 posted on 05/24/2004 1:19:02 PM PDT by Bella_Bru (It's for the children = It takes a village)
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To: Bella_Bru

I agree with everything you said. But you left out a huge violation in which Employee A produces a valid appearing proof of citizenship (belonging to someone else) and presenting it as his own. He signs the W-9 to certify the tax id and name.

One year later, he presents a completely different social security card with a completely different name. It could even be a woman's name. The employer is prohibited by law from pursuing or rejecting this. The employer also is getting dinged $50 a pop for each taxpayer ID filed that doesn't match the IRS records.

This is a bigger and more prevalent problem than people understand.

The illegal is making free use of the identity and is also affecting the real owner's tax responsibility and retirement benefits. Not to mention the havoc that can be created if the illegal uses that tax id to "open" a new credit card.


40 posted on 05/24/2004 1:29:29 PM PDT by saveliberty (Liberal= in need of therapy, but would rather ruin lives of those less fortunate to feel good)
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