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Adirondack Wolf Spawns Many Theories About Whether to Bring the Animals Back to New York
AP ^ | May 23, 2004

Posted on 05/23/2004 11:12:21 AM PDT by nuconvert

Adirondack Wolf Spawns Many Theories About Whether to Bring the Animals Back to New York

By Michael Virtanen/Associated Press

May 23, 2004

EDINBURG, N.Y. (AP) - The night Russ Lawrence shot dead the first confirmed Adirondack wolf in a century, the big canine wasn't alone. It came for the hunter's bait on a winter night with another animal. "It wasn't as big, but it was a pretty good size," Lawrence said. "That's why I figured it was a female."

At first, Lawrence figured he'd killed a record-sized coyote that January night in 2002, and he contacted state conservation officials. It was a healthy 85-pound male, more than twice the average coyote size, but with the same features and color as its common relative.

Two years later, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service took tissue for genetic analysis and concluded it was pure gray wolf. That quickly raised questions: Had a loner wandered down from the upper Midwest or Canada? Was the other animal Lawrence saw a gray wolf, too?

And the big one: Had wolves, once at risk of extinction, made their way back to the Adirondacks?

Wildlife experts agree they haven't, because populations would be noticed, as they have in the West and upper Midwest. The animals, also known as timber wolves, tend to live in small packs, move around, vocalize frequently and hunt.

But the kill touched off a new round of debate over whether to bring the wolf back to New York. Farmers say coyotes are enough of a problem already, preying on young calves and other livestock. But some advocates of reintroducing the wolves say the animals would help the environment.

"If they're filling essentially the same niche, does it make a difference whether we call it a coyote or a wolf?" said Al Hicks, wildlife biologist for the state Department of Environmental Conservation. "I guess it's whatever makes you feel better."

Feared as threats to livestock and people, wolves were hunted nearly to extinction by the 1930s in the continental United States.

Last August, after their cultivated resurgence in the West and Midwest, the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service moved the gray wolf from endangered to threatened after 30 years. There are now almost 4,000 gray wolves and about 250 red wolves in the lower 48 states.

Killing them still can bring a fine up to $100,000 per individual, $200,000 per organization.

Lawrence won't be prosecuted, said Diana Weaver, spokeswoman for the wildlife service. "At times the goal of enforcement is not so much punishment but education and compliance," she said.

The federal agency has no plans to reintroduce wolves in the Northeast, and would first need backing from the states anyway. New York state officials have said wolves might be incompatible with the interests of residents and farmers.

Brad Devries, spokesman for Defenders of Wildlife, disagrees. He says wolves are effective predators that will move deer around the territory, benefiting plant species and smaller animals.

Wolves now inhabit parts of Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan and Algonquin Park in Ontario. Individuals have been known to travel hundreds of miles.

Lawrence was hunting at the southeastern edge of the 6-million-acre Adirondack Park, on private land 40 miles north of Albany. He was 200 miles from the Algonquin Park and more than 400 miles from Michigan. The 48-year-old roofer has hunted coyotes for about 10 years, selling the furs in Canada.

Scientists say it's possible the animal came down from Canada, though intense hunting and trapping outside the Algonquin Park would make the trip treacherous.

And the other animal Lawrence saw? It could have been a coyote - or another wolf, said Roland Kays, mammals curator at the State Museum in Albany.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: adirondacks; animalrights; environment; ny; wildlife; wolf
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1 posted on 05/23/2004 11:12:23 AM PDT by nuconvert
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To: sauropod

read later


2 posted on 05/23/2004 11:18:32 AM PDT by sauropod (Paleo-cons make better lovers)
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To: nuconvert

3 posted on 05/23/2004 11:19:02 AM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: nuconvert

That's beautiful. I love them. However, they are the means to an end:

http://www.wildlandsprojectrevealed.org


4 posted on 05/23/2004 11:33:27 AM PDT by Ethan_Allen (Gen. 32:24-32 'man'=Jesus http://www.preteristarchive.com/Jesus_is_Israel/index.html)
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To: nuconvert

We had two attacks against humans here in Wis and Upper Michigan last year. ATTACKS and not as the DNR and Fish and Wildlife would have you believe as a simple curious advance.

One was a out and out stalk and attack against a logger where three came at him. A big one directly, with two others, one each side of him.

The other was against another woodsman who had to get into his vehicle as the things came right for him.

Just Wait..the deer population suffered last year because of the harsh winter. Next year there could well be a kill made on a child waiting for a school bus.


5 posted on 05/23/2004 11:35:20 AM PDT by crz
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To: nuconvert
Wolves and coyotes are extremely territorial, and are known to kill 'intruders', even within their own species. No way was it running with a coyote.

I wonder if these two wolves had any tags, tattoos, radios, scannable implants, or chips -- or if they had prior 'history' with wildlife agencies on either side of the border.

The same 'niche' as coyotes? I think we can expect the wolf to carve out a much larger 'niche'.

6 posted on 05/23/2004 11:42:23 AM PDT by Crowcreek
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To: nuconvert

Beautiful animal. I wonder how long it will take for the usual crowd to come out and say it's time to 'kill every wolf. '


7 posted on 05/23/2004 11:51:25 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear missiles: The ultimate Phallic symbol.)
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To: bc2

PING


8 posted on 05/23/2004 12:14:36 PM PDT by qam1 (Tommy Thompson is a Fat-tubby, Fascist)
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To: nuconvert

Interesting ! I recall an incident during the (very severe) winter of 1950,when a wolf pack chased some ice fishermen across Lake George. There was also quite a "coy-dog" problem in the upper states,with the hybrids forming packs and raiding farms.


9 posted on 05/23/2004 12:46:24 PM PDT by genefromjersey
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To: Crowcreek
I wonder if these two wolves had any tags, tattoos, radios, scannable implants, or chips -- or if they had prior 'history' with wildlife agencies on either side of the border.

No, It was a total shock that they found a wolf in the Adirondacks

The same 'niche' as coyotes? I think we can expect the wolf to carve out a much larger 'niche'.

Well the Adirondack park which is bigger than Yellowstone, Yosmite and the Grand Canyon combined has the room.

Actually this hunter should have been prosecuted, Baiting animals is illegal in New York.

10 posted on 05/23/2004 12:53:17 PM PDT by qam1 (Tommy Thompson is a Fat-tubby, Fascist)
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To: Crowcreek
Wolves and coyotes are extremely territorial, and are known to kill 'intruders', even within their own species. No way was it running with a coyote.

Actually it is possible, One of the biggest reasons wolf reintroduction didn't go forward in the Adirondacks is because it was found that the Eastern Coyote instead of being killed by the wolves would actually breed with them.

11 posted on 05/23/2004 12:58:50 PM PDT by qam1 (Tommy Thompson is a Fat-tubby, Fascist)
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To: crz

Wow. That's scary.


12 posted on 05/23/2004 12:59:05 PM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: qam1

That's interesting


13 posted on 05/23/2004 1:01:33 PM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: crz

I've seen them in Michigan twice. , and I'm in the Lower Penninsula.


14 posted on 05/23/2004 1:03:56 PM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno-World!")
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To: vetvetdoug

FYI, pong


15 posted on 05/23/2004 1:05:38 PM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: spetznaz

They're not allowed here...... : - )


16 posted on 05/23/2004 1:13:31 PM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: spetznaz

about now!!! they might serve a purpose somewhere but it is not anywhere near where i live.


17 posted on 05/23/2004 1:23:14 PM PDT by cajun-jack
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To: cajun-jack; spetznaz
About now is right! There's never been a slicker killing machine than a wolf pack! Perhaps our FRiend (spetznaz) should do some research before running out to defend wolves.

It has been my experience that most of the wolf lover group come from the city and are not familiar with the battle grounds of the west.
18 posted on 05/23/2004 2:09:31 PM PDT by Issaquahking (U.N., greenies, etc. battling against the U.S. and Constitution one freedom at a time. Fight Back !)
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To: nuconvert

Wisconsin Outdoor News. May 7 issue, page 7.

I had a couple of them follow me at a long distance a year ago this winter. I considered that a curious type follow as they didnt advance closer. They were at about 300 yards from me all the while.

These were out and out advances or attacks that these fellows had happen to them.


19 posted on 05/23/2004 2:15:23 PM PDT by crz
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To: crz

If they're stalking and attacking humans, they need to remedy that situation.


20 posted on 05/23/2004 2:19:13 PM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ( Azadi baraye Iran)
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