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1 posted on 05/22/2004 5:41:41 PM PDT by b4its2late
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This is just the way it is. We will have to win swimming upstream and we will.


2 posted on 05/22/2004 5:44:00 PM PDT by TheOldRepublic
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1. Do Americans recognize the blatant bias of the media?

2. Will that recognition result in rejection of their reporting and their agenda?

4 posted on 05/22/2004 5:45:10 PM PDT by johniegrad
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In his upcoming book

You don't have to read past this line.

5 posted on 05/22/2004 5:45:50 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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Zinni sound like whats his name...that smarmy guy who didn't get a powerful position in the Bush administration, so wrote some kind of book about how everyone but himself is stupid or at the very least incompetent....
6 posted on 05/22/2004 5:47:00 PM PDT by sarasmom (Watching mainstream liberal media "news reports" will cause brain atrophy.)
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Well I am sure they will run a segment with Tommy Franks side of the story /Sarcasm


8 posted on 05/22/2004 5:48:01 PM PDT by TheRedSoxWinThePennant
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"In his upcoming book, "Battle Ready," written with Tom Clancy"

I wonder how close a relationship Clancy had with Richard Clark. Clark was always quite a self-promoter.

9 posted on 05/22/2004 5:48:15 PM PDT by mrsmith ("Oyez, oyez! All rise for the Honorable Chief Justice... Hillary Rodham Clinton ")
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Let's put it this way. The General who said more troops would be required was canned. The budget man who said it would cost 200 billion was canned. Those who told the President we would be greeted with flowers and the oil wells would gush cash to pay for the war are still around. Why?


10 posted on 05/22/2004 5:51:21 PM PDT by ex-snook (They had their chance. Dump all incumbents who won't bring back outsourced America.)
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Tonight on 60 minutes. He is a former central command general who thinks bush's war in Iraq is a disaster. He will tell you how much he thinks bush, cheney, rumsfeld,and wolfowitz are bumbling fools and why this war really is just about oil and the carlyle group. also why he is voting for john kerry. All that and Andy rooney who will also be voting for Kerry tonight on 60 minutes


13 posted on 05/22/2004 5:54:31 PM PDT by TheRedSoxWinThePennant
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retired generals need to stay silent, cause they are not in the loop


14 posted on 05/22/2004 5:57:29 PM PDT by markman46
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"There were a number of people who before we even engaged in this conflict felt strongly that we underestimated...the scope of the problems we would have in [Iraq]."

The President told the country the war on terror was not going to be easy and would take many years. It is true that many nattering naybobs of negativism underestimated the challenge. The war is just starting and is not over with Iraq.

16 posted on 05/22/2004 5:58:46 PM PDT by plain talk
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Wonder if Kroft broaches the subject of Zinni's dereliction in having the Cole refuel in Yemen or dismissing the plan of strategic bombing Al Qaeda hideouts in Tora Bora while he was CENTCOM. Probably not.


20 posted on 05/22/2004 6:03:20 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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I hope Bish and Rumsfeld release to the public the war plans for an invasion of Iraq developed by CENTCOM when Zinni was the Cdr. It's time to show these Monday morning quarterbacks for what they are. While they are at it they can release his plans for overthrowing the Taliban regime in Afghanistan.

It pisses me off to see the criticisms of two military campaigns that were unprecedented in their swiftness and their decisiveness. I'd like to know how Gen. Zinni planned to occupy both nations as well. It's not like the military was then procuring the equipment for occupation duties that hindsight has revealed to be necessary.


26 posted on 05/22/2004 6:14:51 PM PDT by Poodlebrain
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This may sound cynical, but Zinni's belief that many more hundreds of thousands of troops were needed may in turn be based on a desire to do a total, national, house to house search in Iraq ~ presuming wiping out all who might resist.

Many of the folks who moved to the top under Bill Clinton were definitely of a totalitarian bent of mind. It's time for a purge of their ranks!

42 posted on 05/22/2004 6:37:43 PM PDT by muawiyah
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LOL, in the light of what's happened in the last few days, both 60 Minutes and this clown are both going to have egg all over their faces.
45 posted on 05/22/2004 6:52:53 PM PDT by McGavin999 (If Kerry can't deal with the "Republican Attack Machine" how is he going to deal with Al Qaeda)
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Zinni, who served as commander-in-chief of the U.S. Central Command from 1997 to 2000.

And who was President in 1997 when this guy was appointed CincCent? 'Nuff said.

46 posted on 05/22/2004 6:53:14 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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Zinni feels that undertaking the war with the minimum of troops

It's due to Zinni's former boss, The Impeached One, that we only had the "minimum of troops" available. The rest had either been RIF'd, or just not re-upped rather than serve under "The Stain", or were tied down in places like the Balkans, fighting against the wrong people in some cases. Bet he didn't mention that, did he?

49 posted on 05/22/2004 6:57:06 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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I am not a General nor a grand strategic thinker, but I have a problem with all of these Monday morning QB's. If we are still in the same position in Iraq, suffering casualty after casualty and the nation is not stable enough for us to leave after 5 years I may start to agree with the naysayers.

We removed a dictator, entrenched for 30 years, COMPLETELY BUILT (not re-build) their infrastructure, eliminated the Republican Guard, trained a new NATIONAL Police force, a new military, opened schools, and hospitals in a here-to-fore unheard of number, restarted the Iraqi oil pipeline to prewar levels.

We did this while fighting terrorists in the form of Al Qaeda, the fedeyeen, and several other terrorists groups from within Iraq itself, from Syria, Jordan, Egypt and Iran. We continue to battle with fanatical followers of Clerics like Al Sadr ALL the while taking care NOT to hurt civilians nor damage Mosques or violate the numerous HOLY CITIES, and we do ALL OF THIS, while our own country is cowering with doubt about our President, our SECDEF, our Military and our MISSION.

And even more self-flaggelation is occuring as the PRESS/MEDIA skewers our country 24/7 as we openly HOLD investigations and Courts Martial for abuses that would PALE next to the most benign of Saddam's torture techniques. Finally all of this has happened in just 13 months with the INCREDIBLY LOW number of 581 KIA's.

Knowing that all of this and so much more has happened, I say our TROOPS should be damned proud of what they have accomplished, it is a UNBELEIVABLE and REMARKABLE achievement, in such a tremendously short period of time.

55 posted on 05/22/2004 7:07:09 PM PDT by PISANO (NEVER FORGET 911 !!!!)
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Yet another book. this seems to be the preferred attack mode. any loon who wants to write a hit piece book on the president gets maximum publicity. the white house then spends a week or so denying the assertions. Have you noticed how the books almost seemed timed to come out in a series? I don't ever remember an election so driven by these hit books. They also invade the congressional hearings with Lib Senators intoning on about the book.
61 posted on 05/22/2004 8:00:02 PM PDT by beebuster2000 (the only thing quagmired is the lib mind)
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Zinni was responsible for the Bay of Pigs II in northern Iraq when he sold out Chalabi to Saddam.


62 posted on 05/22/2004 8:00:20 PM PDT by John Lenin
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We need to present a "better image" to the Iraqi people? Oh really? Let's see...they had Hussein for how many years and didn't rise up against him?. We liberated their sorry worthless hides and now we're supposed to be kissing their backsides and apologizing for what exactly?

I don't want to win the "hearts and minds" of the Arab world. I want them to fear us and worry for the rest of their lives about what we might do to them if they tick us off.

65 posted on 05/22/2004 8:06:47 PM PDT by jess35
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