Posted on 05/20/2004 10:06:34 PM PDT by churchillbuff
Four decades separate the war in the jungle from the war in the desert, yet the current president from Texas sounds eerily similar to another president from Texas.
George W. Bush says, "Now is the time, and Iraq is the place." Lyndon B. Johnson said, "The time is now, and the place is Vietnam." Bush says, "Bring 'em on." Johnson said, "Nail the coonskin to the wall."
Bush says, "We are fighting that enemy in Iraq... so that we do not meet him again on our own streets, in our own cities." Johnson said, "If we quit Vietnam, tomorrow we'll be fighting in Hawaii, and next week we'll have to fight in San Francisco."
(Excerpt) Read more at thestate.com ...
No, that's not what I'm saying. Read my post again. It seems to me that Churchillbuff's brand of conservatism goes back to a time when conservatism was different from what it is today, back to a Goldwater kind of conservatism, a time when knee-jerk, reactionary lock-step was not something to be desired. Nor was nation-building. This wasn't isolationism; it was pragmatism and good common sense. It was a time in which people argued not just to "win," but to explore and expand ideas. And if I'm not mistaken, that's what he is referring to when he mentions independent thinking. This Iraq war is anathema to all of that.
Before you take it upon yourself to put the rest of us in "our place",it would behooved you to consider the fact that you don't know WHO you're responding to.You don't understand the WoT at all,and obviously,the logic of our going into Iraq escapes you completely. THIS IS PART AND PARCEL OF GOING AFTER AL QAEDA AND ITS TENTICLES.
And you don't know who you're talking to either, I might add. You're right about one thing: the logic of going into Iraq escapes me completely. But it's not because I don't understand the "war on terror." In fact, I'd like to see the U.S. concentrate more on the war on terror and less on Iraq, but it's too late for that now.
I personally love the clowning of the rood mechanicals in A Midsummer Night's Dream.
It is hardly pragmatic to revere principles and/or ideas,which doom a person/party to utter failure and loss after loss. It is hardly pragmatic and good common sense to ignore the smoke and wait for the raging inferno.When you see someone dousing a roaring fire with gasoline,it behooves one to act;not to wait for said gasoline to hit the bonfire.
At least you admit that you don't understand warfare and tactics.Still, you and a few others mewl about going after al Qaeda,without acknowledging the ancillary sources,which Iraq was one of.
Al Qaeda and terrorists in general,are all over the globe.There ARE cells in Germany,France,Morocco,Spain,England,America,all of Scandinavia,throughout the Middle-east,Japan,and you name it.We can't be everywhere at once.We are NOT "ignoring"/failing to go after them,by also being in Iraq.And claiming that Iraq is diverting us from the WoT,is spurious,disingenuous,and just plain old silly!
I can offer you a book list,which WOULD help you understand Elizabethian thedatre and Shakesperean plays. :-)
HAHAHAHAHA.
--- ---a duet from Yoeman of the Guard.
Looks lik a "tale of cock and bull" is what Chalabi fed the US!
Not the piece I was referring to though. I'll post that later.:-)
We know. You are "just trying to help." ;)
Bingo! Well and concisely stated.
We have here a very long rant that illustrates that Saddam was an enthusiastic supporter of PALESTINIAN terrorists (something most aware people knew).
So the very simple question is .... Is GWB President of the U.S.A. or Prime Minister of Israel?
I've soured on the war. No real evidence of WMDs, close to 1000 KIA, tens of thousands wounded, the Abu Ghraib disaster, billions of dollars spent. I really thought they'd find nukes, or small pox or a smoking gun link to 9/11 or Al Queda or something as big but they haven't. It just wasn't worth it. Maybe the media's negative spin barrage has finally worn me down but that's what I think about it now. It's time to turn this mess over to someone else and get the hell out.
You are right--they aren't jesters. But they do a lot of clowning around. And I love the vulgarity. ;-)
Feel free to send me your list! I teach Shakespeare sometimes and would love to compare it with what I already have. That's very kind of you.
And don't worry--I consider the very notion of "deconstructionism" an abhorrent marketing angle, my reasoning being that it is much more useful and delightful to study literature from the opposite direction. So your list won't contribute to anything close to Derrida. ;0)
Do you use aspirin to bring down fever.
I'm not "in a cave, but I do read all the news on the internet daily, including the good news about Iraq. No need to get personal, that's what the RATs do (or are you one too?).
I have an idea. Go to the White House, climb over the fence and head toward the West Wing. When you get outside the Oval Office, tell his secretary that you have special information that will help him win the election.
Please. You must do this.
Those people on FR who spoke up against this war deserved to be flamed with nuclear intensity. Your kind fail to realize the sole, home truth of this war: fight them there or fight them here. Just because LBJ said it, and was wrong, does not mean that if Bush says it, the latter is also wrong.
That you are still against this war, in light of all we have found out about Saddam and his squalid regime, proves that there are none so blind as those who will not see.
Be Seeing You,
Chris
I was going to send the wee book list to you via FREEPmail,however,it occurred to me that lurkers might also enjoy seeing the titles...so here's the list.
"The Annotated Shakespeare", by A.L. Rowse ( you've probably read/have this 3 volume set,but it's a must read for those interested in Shakespeare's plays.
The Background of Shakespeare's Plays",by Karl J. Holzknecht I an oldy but a goody and required reading,in college courses about Shakespeare.)
"Reinventing Shakespeare A Cultural History from the Restoration to the Present",by Gary Taylor (VERY interesting overview,food for thought,and places some "standard" opinion in perspective.)
"Naughty Shakespeare",by Michael Macrone ( since you enjoy the vulgarity... hehehehehe)
"The Bawdy Bard" (for the same reason as above. Sorry,I don't remember the author and I don't own this book,but read it.)
"Theatre Through The Ages",by Cesare Molinari (a must read,for anyone interested in theatre/plays both ancient and modern and history.)
Didn't want to over burden you,nor waste bandwidth, so the list isn't all inclusive;just a few good books.If you'd care to talk about this further/swap book titles, let's do it in FREEPmail. :-)
Deconstruction is a sick joked,absolute worthless,and intellectually disingenuous.Dirreda is a conman ! Thankfully we have common ground here. :-)
Oh, but you over rate yourself...again. You don't get anyones' skin. You're more like the feeling one gets when the step in dog crap wearing good shoes...it's kind of like, who left this annoying waste lying around.
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