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ZOT! Semi-vanity, but for discussion--A Truly Patriotic Liberal?

Posted on 05/20/2004 8:13:51 PM PDT by Wraith2288

Alright, please at least read this before the "OMG liberal hippy potsmoker haha" starts.

I am an American. I was born here in the USA, my dad is from here as well. My mom came here from South America when she was a small child, and so I've grown up hearing about how wonderful this country is-- she tells us the story of how she got her citizenship regularly, as well as how she was the only one to stand for the pledge of allegiance at school(Massachusetts in the late 60s), and many other such stories. I love my country, I respect my government, and I respect our history as a nation. However, I am not a conservative. In my opinion, the great men who founded his country were liberal, the great leaders of this nation have been liberal, and I am liberal. I did not support the beginning of the war in Iraq, but I support our troops. Even in a war that I do not support, I believe that the greatest thing you can do for your country is serve it, whether in the military, the government, the education system, or whatever your specialty may be. I believe in the Constitution of the United States, freedom of conscience, speech, assembly, and all the other rights given within the constitution and bill of rights. I believe in a right to shelter, education, healthcare, and food. I do not believe in handouts. I believe in hard work, but I do not believe the people of the richest nation on this planet should go hungry. The children of our nation should not die of hunger or curable illness. I love the environment, but I drive, and I use the other resources of the Earth. I eat meat. I believe that this planet is beautiful and it should be preserved, but I do not believe we should destroy our economy to protect it. I believe that all humans deserve freedom, respect, and tolerance. I am not religious, but I respect other's religion. I am not gay, but I respect the right to be gay. I do believe in the seperation of church and state. I do not like President Bush. I believe that his actions with the war in Iraq, the patriot act, legislating morality through an attempted ban on gay marriages, and almost every other thing he has done goes against [i/]my[/i] America.

Discuss.


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1 posted on 05/20/2004 8:13:51 PM PDT by Wraith2288
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To: Wraith2288

DU is a better forum for you.


2 posted on 05/20/2004 8:16:37 PM PDT by dennisw (Koran teaches: "Cut off their heads, and cut off the tips of their fingers." (Sura 8:12))
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To: Wraith2288

very interesting...i smell ozone


3 posted on 05/20/2004 8:16:40 PM PDT by cyborg (tit for tat butter for fat hillary is ugly that's a fact)
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To: Wraith2288

I smell ozone.


4 posted on 05/20/2004 8:17:02 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Wraith2288

Better idea.

Defend your beliefs and give us a reason to not see this post, roll our eyes and move on.

Frankly I don't care what your opinions are. Facts, OTOH, are a different story.


5 posted on 05/20/2004 8:17:44 PM PDT by swilhelm73
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To: Wraith2288

I believe that all humans deserve freedom, respect, and tolerance.



Good. So stop taking my earnings to fund your silly socialist plans, and stop trying to register my guns.


6 posted on 05/20/2004 8:18:37 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Wraith2288
Shouldn't you be trying to get some of this, instead of being a troll?
7 posted on 05/20/2004 8:19:45 PM PDT by cyborg (tit for tat butter for fat hillary is ugly that's a fact)
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To: Wraith2288

How are we supposed to discuss parroted cliches?


8 posted on 05/20/2004 8:19:46 PM PDT by Paul Atreides
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To: Wraith2288

I believe in a right to shelter, education, healthcare, and food.



Which means that you bnelieve that you shold be able to sit on your ass, and send armed authorities to sieze the fruits of my labor.

I think every man should have the right to keep what he creates, and not have it stolen by leftist pukes like you who pretend that what others earn is theirs to steal.

You really think that you have the right to enslave doctors to provide free health care? To enslave construction workers to build you a home? To enslave farmers to grow you crops for free?


9 posted on 05/20/2004 8:20:52 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Beelzebubba

where exactly are my silly socialist plans?
I still fail to see the issue with registering a gun.


10 posted on 05/20/2004 8:20:54 PM PDT by Wraith2288
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To: Wraith2288
I believe in the Constitution of the United States,.... I believe in a right to shelter, education, healthcare, and food..... I do not believe in handouts

If you are ever able to reconcile these contradictions, you will be ready for Free Republic.

11 posted on 05/20/2004 8:21:20 PM PDT by eddie willers
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This bleeding heart liberal believes in feeding the hungry around the globe and preventing the spread of curable diseases, but has no problem ignoring a monster like Saddam Hussein.

That is the problem with liberals, they hate George W. Bush because of what he stands for, only because they stand for nothing. What would this liberal suggest we do about the religious fanatics who want to kill all nonbelievers? Ignore them just as they have every ruthless dictator in history?

12 posted on 05/20/2004 8:21:45 PM PDT by MJY1288 (Our Wounded Soldiers at Walter Reed Have Yet to be Visited by John Kerry. What's he Afraid of?)
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To: Wraith2288

Discuss? I will say that I agree with some of your points, but not all. I do know that some great leaders from our past were anything but liberals, including some from the democrat party. Liberal today is something entirely different than it was in say President Kennedy's time.

President Bush has been LIED ABOUT, and if you would care to get past your prejudice and what you think you know about republicans, you might find that out. But I have about given up hope that any of you from the left side care about the truth, and have no interest to really educate yourselves on what is really going on in Iraq, not the media's version, but the actual soldiers version, and why we are there, and what the enemy really is about.

Go ahead, make my day, and maybe save your own butt, be different, really try to learn the truth. President Bush is doing his duty to this nation, providing for our defense. Someday the truth will be known, and some of you liberals will hang your heads in shame, that is if they are still attached to your bodies, and not sawed off by Islamic terrorists who want to kill us all.


13 posted on 05/20/2004 8:22:06 PM PDT by ladyinred (Torture is what happened to Nick Berg!)
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To: Beelzebubba

Who's enslaving anyone? The issue is, people are dying in this country because "pukes" like me aren't getting through to the people of america.

Heres a hint-- you already pay taxes.


14 posted on 05/20/2004 8:23:06 PM PDT by Wraith2288
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To: Wraith2288
Discuss.
Discuss what, precisely? Your barely coherent stream-of-consciousness personals ad disguised as flame-bait hardly rises to the level of controversy.

For a troll who believes in "hard work" you have yet to demonstrate any.
15 posted on 05/20/2004 8:23:40 PM PDT by Asclepius (protectionists would outsource our dignity and prosperity in return for illusory job security)
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To: Wraith2288

where exactly are my silly socialist plans?



"I believe in a right to shelter, education, healthcare, and food."

Right there above. The very fouindation of socialism. You can't have the right to things like these without socialism. You can have the right to buy or rent these things in consensual transactions, with the government staying out of the way, but when you have a right to have them provided, even a tiny subsidy, even to only a tiny fraction of the population, you have enslaved someone else to provide what he otherwise would not have.

Try freedom. It might not feel as cozy at first, but it will actually feed, clothe, and house more people than the socialism you propose.


16 posted on 05/20/2004 8:24:55 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Wraith2288

Who's enslaving anyone?



Anyone who belives that people have to right to have things provided must enslave others (i.e. take the fruits of their labors.)

Yes, we are already suffering socialism thanks to liberals like you, and we are already partially enslaved with your rapacious taxes.

Get this through your head. You don't have the "right" to my stuff. You have the right to all the food, clothing, and shelter you can create for yourself, or acquire from others consenually. But your right to pinch your fingers together stops at my wallet.


17 posted on 05/20/2004 8:28:45 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: eddie willers
[ I believe in the Constitution of the United States,.... I believe in a right to shelter, education, healthcare, and food..... I do not believe in handouts ]

The U.S. Constitution covers NONE those things, especially as rights. Suggest reading it..

18 posted on 05/20/2004 8:29:19 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Wraith2288

Banned already.


19 posted on 05/20/2004 8:29:22 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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