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Teacher watched video with H.S. students [Suspended for Nick Berg beheading video]
Channel 14 News ^ | 5/20/2004 | Associated Press

Posted on 05/20/2004 12:49:27 PM PDT by TaxRelief

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To: PleaseNoMore
My son is a senior here at Pinecrest High in Southern Pines. While they didn't watch it, his teacher, also the mayor of Aberdeen and mother of my own childhood friend, discussed it with her class. She allowed each student, including my son, to be very graphic.

Good for her! I hope mine get teachers like her. There should be more current event discussions in class. I'm so happy when students come up years later and ask if I remember discussing some event with them. Kids have much more insight than many parents give them credit.

81 posted on 05/21/2004 6:38:07 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: PleaseNoMore
I am beginning to think that our county has the most easy going schools/teachers around. My son is a senior here at Pinecrest High in Southern Pines. While they didn't watch it,

I don't understand why you make the comment about "easy going schools".

Not one person has said the discussion of what happened, such as took place at your son's school, should not have taken place. In fact, it is obvious that in the case this thread is based on, a very involved and ongoing discussion was in progress. Nobody--parents or school or posters on this thread--has said that was not right or appropriate. They said just the opposite.

Rejoice.

82 posted on 05/21/2004 6:46:32 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: mtbopfuyn

You'll note that in the case the article is written about that discussion of what happened was fine.

This was not, as some here have falsely and hysterically asserted, a case of the subject being off-limits.


83 posted on 05/21/2004 6:48:13 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: familyop

We are engaged with an enemy that has such fascination with death, and not just for us, but for themselves.

The video, to my way of thinking, is an ESSENTIAL tool for helping overly comfortable civilians and too-far-removed politicians grasp the mindset of the enemy.

Parents like you are part of the problem, and I submit to you that we can spend all the money we want, but until we address the fact that parents are generally less educated than their kids are these days, we aren't going to be fixing education any time soon.

Placed in the proper context, the video, or even just the audio, will do what Time, Newsweek, the NY Times and the alphabet networks are trying so hard to undo - galvanize the country against an enemy that means to kill us in the most gruesome possible ways on our own soil.

I don't think you'd feel the way you do if you lost your little bundle of joy to a batch of tainted water at school one day, or a dirty bomb, or a VX rocket, or some other such act of Islamic love. I think you'd want everyone to know what we are up against.


84 posted on 05/21/2004 6:49:15 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Only those who dare truly live - CGA 88 Class Motto)
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To: cyncooper
See Bill Bennett's column today about the significance of the Berg slaughter.

You run with dogs, you get fleas.

85 posted on 05/21/2004 8:53:50 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: mtbopfuyn

It is a matter of parental rights, and who makes the decisions for minors. You don't have the right to make the decision about any children but your own.


86 posted on 05/21/2004 9:27:11 AM PDT by Politicalmom ( Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but they're not entitled to their own facts -D. Rumsfeld)
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To: colorado tanker

What are you babbling about?

You have NO IDEA what my thoughts are about Nick Berg.

A reading of my comments tells you that I do not think the way you keep saying I do.

I have said several different ways that you are *reading the wrong thing into what I have said*, yet you persist in misrepresenting my thoughts on the subject.

Stop it.

I have NEVER minimized it. I have NEVER said the prison abuse is as bad or worse. That is absurd. A check of my postings tells a different tale.

Now, get this through your head. You are flat out wrong in saying what or how I think about it. You are missing my point by a thousand miles.


87 posted on 05/21/2004 9:32:14 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: cyncooper
I have only reacted to what you posted to me. Your last post indicates our positions on the Berg affair may be closer than your flames to me indicated. Fine, I accept that. I have no way of reading your mind and have no interest in doing a research project on you other posts.

You really shouldn't go out flaming if you're going to be outraged that you provoke a reaction.

Get a grip, for heaven's sake.

88 posted on 05/21/2004 9:52:33 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

My posts did not for one second "indicate" anything that you inferred and then persisted in misrepresenting.


89 posted on 05/21/2004 10:09:26 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: TaxRelief

Excellent point.

Most parents spend WAY too much time trying to adapt the world to the kid instead of the other way around.

The result is kids who never grow up and realize that the world can be a scary and unfair place.


90 posted on 05/21/2004 10:41:36 AM PDT by FLAMING DEATH (Why do I carry a .45? Because they don't make a .46!)
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To: mtbopfuyn

"You soccer mommies better think again about just who it is fighting in Iraq to protect you and your babies. That pimply faced high school kid who bagged your freshly ground gourmet coffee is the same adult who is signing up after graduation next week."

Your mind would also lose in a battle against the enemy. You underestimate and presume too much.

Go lobby some network to bring back the Spectacle.


92 posted on 05/21/2004 1:44:44 PM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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To: RinaseaofDs
"We are engaged with an enemy that has such fascination with death, and not just for us, but for themselves."

And so are many of our own spoiled citizens who yearn for a leaders like Nero. I stand with the Greatest Generation against gratuitous sex and violence in public. I pledged to defend our U.S. Constitution and various state constitutions long ago and have seen more than enough violence. One thing that became obvious is that spoiled brats don't simply defend. They only get a thrill out of watching others suffer.

If so many of our citizens weren't so spoiled and selfish, they would remember that Americans and others were attacked on our soil without being entertained by the Spectacle. The Spectacle does nothing to help. People in the US watch it with relish (and olives), and they'll still fail to show up at the polls to vote for Bush.

"Parents like you are part of the problem, and I submit to you that we can spend all the money we want, but until we address the fact that parents are generally less educated than their kids are these days, we aren't going to be fixing education any time soon."

No, teachers are much more a part of the problem. Teachers have lobbied hard for over 35 years for policies and laws to destroy the family. Address the fact that the NEA is morally bankrupt.

The Dept. of Education should be shut down.

Send more Americans to initial training, expand our military, and teach 'em to kill, kill, kill. They can be more effective at doing so without being filled with hatred and cruelty. But the desire to have all of our youth view a film of a man having his head sawed off is perverted and beside the point.

There is one thing that I'm being convinced of. Maybe our forefathers should have turned back the immigrating hordes of the late 1800s and early 1900s, after all.
93 posted on 05/21/2004 2:10:54 PM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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To: familyop

I think that most people are missing the point on this subject. They suspend the teacher for something like this, but they encourage a complete and utter lack of moral fiber, taking THAT matter out of the parents hands as well? Frankly, I find that THIS type of thing, which is an international subject would be far more acceptable than having teachers AND entire school systems exposing my kids to things like "alternative lifestyles" and "here, have a condom". But I guess THAT is doing a "service" but I don't see there being a BIGGER topic that should be taught by the parents, than sexuality. Consistency is what is missing. Consistency in belief systems. You can't harp about one thing, then allow other things to be treated soooo casually.


94 posted on 05/21/2004 2:12:28 PM PDT by Rushgrrl (....as Kerry waits to see what the majority thinks before speaking out....)
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To: familyop

Hmmm..."Spectacle." That's an idea. Maybe you folks can build a new Colosseum, pick up a few street people and animals for the events,... That way, our combat soldiers can go to do their jobs without seeing how perverted some of our populace is getting.


95 posted on 05/21/2004 2:17:25 PM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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To: Rushgrrl

"You can't harp about one thing, then allow other things to be treated soooo casually."

I don't. Perversion is perversion. Throw 'em all out.

And turn off television sets until our media and corporates get right with God.

Tell the young folks that a man was tortured to death by the enemy, and that the "Arab Street" is probably watching the film of it with glee and fascination. That's been enough for our combat soldiers throughout history (combat briefings in flight), and that'll be enough for our kids.


96 posted on 05/21/2004 2:35:00 PM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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To: Rushgrrl

That is a good point, though. There is a lot of hypocrisy going on. Issues of sex should be taught by parents, and many schools are doing more harm than good.

The teacher mentioned in the column was only suspended, BTW. Many teachers have been suspended for much less, often by other teachers having schemed with left leaning parents.


97 posted on 05/21/2004 2:43:51 PM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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To: Rushgrrl

I meant to point out that many teachers have been actually fired for much less. A principle is threatening the job of a "male" (as we are all called by feminists) as we write, because he has ridiculed the left in his columns.


98 posted on 05/21/2004 2:50:12 PM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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To: mtbopfuyn

Very well said.


99 posted on 05/21/2004 3:50:32 PM PDT by PleaseNoMore (Islam - The Religion of the AntiChrist -)
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To: Politicalmom
I don't know the age of your children. Assuming that you have a child of HS age, do you object to that young adult viewing the video at his or her own choosing? If so, at what age will you be comfortable with him/her making choices such as these? I am simply curious.
100 posted on 05/21/2004 3:56:45 PM PDT by PleaseNoMore (Islam - The Religion of the AntiChrist -)
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