Posted on 05/19/2004 10:25:07 PM PDT by Jewels1091
CAMP BLACK JACK, Iraq — Any way you look at it, it was a big score.
First Cavalry Division officials are analyzing artillery shells that were part of a weapons cache seized Saturday night outside Baghdad.
Ordnance experts are analyzing the shells, trying to determine if they’re conventional 155 mm artillery shells or if they contain other substances, including sarin nerve gas or phosphorus, said Maj. Derik von Recum, spokesman for the 1st Cav’s 2nd Brigade.
On Saturday, a roadside bomb using a 155 mm shell filled with sarin exploded in Baghdad. It’s unclear whether that bomb is connected to this weapons cache.
Some of the shells were leaking, according to soldiers on the scene. Even if the shells turn out to be conventional, it would still be one of the most significant weapons seizures during the Fort Hood, Texas-based 1st Cav’s four months in Iraq.
A team of Dark Horse scouts from 2nd Platoon, Troop D, part of the 1st Cav’s 9th Cavalry Regiment, seized the cache, which included 43 artillery shells, each weighing about 90 pounds.
Slowly, word began to filter back to the scouts from explosive disposal soldiers that the find might be more significant than first thought.
“Frankly, it meant more to me when it was 4,000 pounds of explosive,” said Spc. Owen Starlin, the M-240B gunner who spotted four Iraqis unloading the cache. “That’s just [really] huge.”
Starlin and other soldiers say that even if the find turns out not to contain sarin, it’s still 43 fewer roadside bombs, the only way insurgents can use howitzer shells.
The night started out routinely, with two teams of scouts working observation points in a rural area northwest of central Baghdad.
Starlin said he was scanning outside his sector — looking past an earthen berm concealing his position — with high-powered night surveillance equipment when he noticed four Iraqis pull up and start working with irrigation equipment.
He didn’t pay much attention: “They’re always messing with irrigation.”
But on a second scan, he saw the men begin pulling munitions out of the small flatbed truck.
“I yelled to [Pfc. Keith] Haynie, ‘Hey, we got a lot of rounds!’ At that point, we knew it was huge,” Starlin said.
The men kept pulling out 155 mm artillery shells, one after another, he said.
At a relatively close range, Starlin said he could have taken out the men with his 240B.
“I said, ‘I’ve got eyes on them. You need to let me light them up?’ That’s an easy shot.”
Instead, the order came to try to capture the men along with their cache.
As scouts closed in, the men ran for it. A poor decision.
“I saw four running. [Spc. Mike] McCormick and I probably fired 200 rounds each. Then I looked and only saw one running,” Starlin said.
After that, the two gunners fired on the palm grove where they believed the remaining man was hiding, but found no bodies in the tall grass.
What they did find was artillery shells and fuses, four Russian-made AT-3 Sagger anti-tank guided missiles, an improvised rocket launcher capable of firing nine rockets simultaneously, and assorted weapons including a G-3 Heckler and Koch German-made assault rifle, said Haynie.
“When we walked up there, there were five or six holes, each 3 feet across and 4 feet long,” Starlin said.
Each hole was full of artillery shells, with more rounds set in between the holes, he said. He considers the night “an early birthday present,” with the seizure coming two days before his 21st birthday, Starlin said.
The seizure is one more in a string of productive nights for the Dark Horse scouts, who’ve killed or captured at least 30 insurgents since March. They have also scored major intelligence coups, including lists of insurgent leaders and addresses, as well as lists documenting attacks against U.S. soldiers.
“Usually, the main emphasis is firefights,” Stalin said. “That night, no one cared about the firefight. It was so big that everyone realized firefights are one thing … but we all knew when we saw [the cache] we had saved a lot of lives that night.”
The other question is - where are they getting this stuff before they hide it. I hope we've got the known ammo dumps guarded.
It would still be a "lie" because the doomsday device wasn't where Bush said it would be. Plus, he would catch grief for "not connecting the dots" and using "faulty intelligence". Additionally, he would be absolutely crucified for being "distracted" by the hunt for Osama Bin Laden when the real War On Terror is in Iraq.
Agreed, but had we captured them, we'd have to provide five star accommodation complete with a butler to escape criticism.
First thing I thought of when I saw that "early Birthday present" was "Wonder if he got to keep the G3??" ;)
Shhhh! Don't let the MSM get hold of this for if they do, the information will be spewed all over the world in a heartbeat! /sarcasm
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Actually, we can interogate them seriously still. Certainly the guys that catch them, can instill nervousness maybe even more nerveousness in them now.
What we can not do is use them as props in our porn videos. I can not say I have a problem with that.
Because they are in constant denial
I'll see if it makes the Ft. Hood Military Newspaper.
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Better yet, drop McClure Volkmer (sp?) and sell the class III firearms to civillians here. Make more money that way.
Yeah, but thought I'd ask for something that might stand a better chance of actually happening.
What I'd really like is for all US made firearms that were exported overseas for other countries intimes of war (like lend-lease firearms) to be allowed to be re-imported into the US.
Maybe. They should have 'lit them up.'
"Surprise, Surprise, Surprise"
“I saw four running. [Spc. Mike] McCormick and I probably fired 200 rounds each. Then I looked and only saw one running,” Starlin said.
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This isn't bad for a militry that we were told could not operate in desert sand and urban environments.
Never mind. Just more 'leftovers' that Blix missed while wolfing down another falafel pocket.
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