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Ovation for Moore's 'Fahrenheit' lasts longer than Bush dawdled
Chicago Sun Times ^ | Ebert

Posted on 05/19/2004 7:45:48 AM PDT by Sir Gawain

CANNES, France -- Two questions involving the duration of events: (1) So how long, exactly, was the standing ovation for Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11"? And (2) Did President Bush actually remain in a Florida classroom, reading from My Pet Goat, for seven minutes after he was informed of the second attack on the World Trade Center?

Moore's anti-Bush documentary was received rapturously at its black-tie screening here Monday, and a friend told me the ovation lasted 25 minutes. In my report I suggested that Cannes ovations, like the estimates of parade crowds in Chicago, have a tendency to be exaggerated. Since I attended an 8 a.m. press screening, I was not inside the Palais des Festivals to clock it myself.

Now I have another source. The ovation lasted 20 minutes, according to Variety, which may be correct, because its reporters all carry stopwatches to check the running times of movies.

In any event it was "the longest ovation in the history of the festival," according to Thierry Fremaux, the festival's director. At a party Monday evening, I asked Moore. "It depends on when you start counting," he said. "Do you start with the beginning of the closing credits or when the lights go up? When they just wouldn't stop clapping, I walked out and they kept applauding in the lobby."

And as for Bush's delay in reacting to the attack on the World Trade Center? Conventional wisdom has it that the president was reading to schoolchildren when he got the news and quickly left the room.

The Moore version: He was informed of the first attack, went into the room anyway, was informed of the second attack, and remained with the students until a staff member suggested that he leave.

"The teacher in that Sarasota classroom happened to tape the whole event," Moore told me. "We'd seen other footage from the networks, but it was all edited. She just left the camera running. She said nobody had ever asked her for the film. Bush didn't instinctively jump up and go into action, but just stayed on autopilot until someone told him what to do."

(Excerpt) Read more at suntimes.com ...


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To: ActionNewsBill

I'm no Bushbot; in fact I've used that term here and have been referred to as "Comrade" at times. Criticizing Bush for his actions at the school on 9-11 is non-sensical. It's making mountains, not out of molehills, but out of valleys.


141 posted on 05/19/2004 9:45:17 AM PDT by jaime1959
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To: Blzbba
Apparently Ari Fleischer was standing in the rear of the classroom (off camera) holding papers urging the President to continue and NOT to leave. This probably was because the Secret Service could not assure the President's security outside the classroom. His Secret Service detail had turned away several groups of Arabs wishing to meet him earlier in the day, and his visit to the school was public knowledge. Given the security situation, they probably felt that it was essential that the President not leave the classroom or the school until they could ensure that he would not be endangered in doing so.
142 posted on 05/19/2004 9:48:56 AM PDT by dufekin (John F. Kerry. Irrational, improvident, backward, seditious.)
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To: ActionNewsBill

Payne's plane never went off course; it was in the air for over 45 minutes before they lost contact with the pilot. 30 minutes later they scrambled jets to take a look.

Facts would help.


143 posted on 05/19/2004 9:49:06 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: ActionNewsBill
Like, uh, dude, yeah man, like totally.

Well at least you are being honest about the banter that goes on at a Libertarian meeting.

144 posted on 05/19/2004 9:49:18 AM PDT by Dane
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To: snickeroon
...he makes such a fine living castigating?

From the looks of it, he spends much more time masticating.

145 posted on 05/19/2004 9:50:04 AM PDT by Planet
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To: jaime1959
So, Comrade, what did you do in the war on terror?


146 posted on 05/19/2004 9:50:17 AM PDT by Bluntpoint
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To: ActionNewsBill
they didn't seem to have a problem finding Payne Stewart's plane when it went off...

Stewart's plane was in the air for hours and was not actively attempting to avoid detection. Ground air controllers had plenty of time to help track it down. The hijacked jet airliners were minutes out from their targets at the time the air response team first learned the nation was under attack, and the hijacked planes were hidden in a sea of planes in the air at the time with no indication which one of them might be hostile for many long minutes. You could not possibly have picked a worse example than the Stewart scenario to bolster your position.

You are defending a position taken by the most odious and despicable public person on the scene today, and doing it with a straight face. That shows me that you either can't think or you're a troll. Either way, you're not worth wasting time on.

One more point. The 911 commission, looking to inflict as much damage on the president as possible since it's been in session, has ignored this issue. Could it that they knew they'd be ridiculed mercilessly if they displayed the kind of ignorance you and Moore display about our air response capabilities given the timeline in question? Something for you to think about, bozo.

147 posted on 05/19/2004 9:52:04 AM PDT by beckett
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To: Blzbba
Everyone here forgets that Bush was told of the SECOND attack, yet chose to not protect our nation's capital during the initial moments of this war.

Why would DC be a target? They attacked NYC. What makes you think the next target would be in DC? Except hindsight, of course.

148 posted on 05/19/2004 9:53:14 AM PDT by AmishDude
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To: Howlin
and intended to crash their planes into Flight 93, the Shanksville plane, if they could not get it to deviate from its flight path.

In the midst of all this, that little fact has been missed -- this is the first I have heard of it.

The word "hero" has been tossed around so much since 9/11, it has almost lost meaning. The pilots of those 2 planes are by any and every and certainly the proper definition of the word -- HEROs.

I am saddened by the fact this little piece of testimony isn't front page news.

149 posted on 05/19/2004 9:53:59 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (This is a tag: </> This is a Line ---------)
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To: snickeroon

Here's one thing he was doing?

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=30367


150 posted on 05/19/2004 9:54:17 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: AmishDude
Hindsight reveals too much sometimes!


151 posted on 05/19/2004 9:59:12 AM PDT by Bluntpoint
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To: ActionNewsBill

Just turned 42 on the 6th.

Why don't you post my entire reply to your idiotic statement?

"You are 100% right. Bush should have stood up right then and there and started shrieking "WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!"

The man knew there were cameras on him. The man knew it was a historical moment that called for every ounce of calm leadership he could muster. He knew that the forces and agencies of government were already turning, gathering information. He also knew that there were terrible decisions to be made. "


152 posted on 05/19/2004 10:00:50 AM PDT by IGOTMINE ("By God, I pity those poor bastards we're going up against. By God I do.")
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To: IGOTMINE

42?

What are you doing here? You should be having your prostate examined!


153 posted on 05/19/2004 10:03:26 AM PDT by Bluntpoint
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To: jaime1959
In this respect, I'd rather be considered a "Bush-bot" (which I am not) than someone with logic so limited that I agree with a twit who in his epic "Bowling for Columbine" shows not ONE single shred of common sense. His logic was so entirely skewed that it defies the possibility of a rational discussion.

In fact, in addition to his mental deficit on the entire issue of gun control, he lies to gain an interview with Charlton Heston who he rudely accuses of being responsible for the death of a six year old (shot by a classmate) because of his (Heston's) support of the NRA. In addition, the clod has the nerve to do this on camera, in the man's OWN HOME!!!!!!!

How could anyone with a brain cell find anything of merit in ANYTHING Moore examines. He is not only dumb, He is dumb, deceitful AND totally oblivious to learning because he thinks he knows it all. Moore is a loser.
154 posted on 05/19/2004 10:04:22 AM PDT by snickeroon (Liberty or death....the choice is still obvious to some.)
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To: dvwjr

Although military jets were scrambled out of Boston about 8:46 a.m., it was already too late to prevent the attacks on the World Trade Center. About the same time, American Airlines Flight 11 crashed into the trade center's north tower.

Military officials acknowledged other problems in the nation's air defenses but said they had since been corrected.

McKinley testified that both ground communications with pilots and the radar system of the North American Aerospace Defense Command were designed to protect the country from external attack and thus worked only outside the country's borders.

As a result, military commanders were forced to rely on radar information from the FAA during the terror attacks. Moreover, they could not communicate directly with their pilots and had to go through the FAA.

In some of the more unusual testimony at the hearing, McKinley said pilots of two unarmed jets scrambled out of Andrews Air Force Base in Maryland and intended to crash their planes into Flight 93, the Shanksville plane, if they could not get it to deviate from its flight path.

The planes were sent aloft at the request of the Secret Service, which feared that the hijacked plane was headed for the White House.

"It is my understanding that the planes were to crash into Flight 93," McKinley said.


http://newsmine.org/archive/9-11/questions/af-jets-standdown/planes-take-off-from-andrews.txt


155 posted on 05/19/2004 10:04:31 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Bluntpoint

I got the "poke and grope" in December for my physical to get back into the Marine Corps reserve.


156 posted on 05/19/2004 10:07:13 AM PDT by IGOTMINE ("By God, I pity those poor bastards we're going up against. By God I do.")
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To: Sir Gawain; AppyPappy; dead

I remember a thread some time back with just hysterical suggestions as to what the Pres really should have done, instead of remaining calm and letting arrangements get set up.

Like running around screaming "Oh, my God, we're all going to DIE!!!" and hiding under a desk...

...or picking up a bazooka and going right out to attack The Real Killers...

...or picking up a few children to use as human shields.

Liberals are so stupid; especially when they have NOTHING but hatred.

Dan


157 posted on 05/19/2004 10:07:58 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: IGOTMINE

You are lucky! My doctor always refuses my request for an exam.

Then he refuses to look me in the eye the entire time left during my appointment.

He just quietly cleans my teeth and fills my cavities.


158 posted on 05/19/2004 10:09:31 AM PDT by Bluntpoint
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To: BibChr
or picking up a bazooka and going right out to attack The Real Killers...

I think he should have hopped into a fighter plane, like the president did in Indepencence Day, and go find a wayward airliner and shoot it down. Yeah, that's it.

There wasn't anything that Bush could have done at that point, other than to make chain-of-command decisions if they were presented to him.

159 posted on 05/19/2004 10:10:35 AM PDT by dirtboy (John Kerry - Hillary without the fat ankles and the FBI files...)
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