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To: Long Cut
A. America is not in a war with Islam. We are at war with a particular outlaw internationalist movement, which happens to have Islamic origins; but that is not the same thing as being at war with Islam.

B. Pat is not saying that we should stand with Islam, except against the Feminist agenda, which would corrupt all human societies.

Read the essay, and put the remark that you are referring to in context.

599 posted on 05/20/2004 6:39:42 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Ohioan
America needs NO help from Islam on its problems. That "cure" would be as hacking off an arm because one of your fingernails was too long.

Pat's constantly being defended, it seems, on the basis of "context". Looks to me like his defenders and marks saying, "don't believe what you read, here's what he REALLY meant...".

I got it just fine.

Pat has expressed anti-American views on a par with ANSWER and Michael Moore. His fans, however, refuse to see that and continue with the defense, which only gets weaker and weaker.

600 posted on 05/20/2004 6:51:09 PM PDT by Long Cut ("Fightin's commenced, Ike, now get to fightin' or get outta the way!"...Wyatt Earp, in Tombstone)
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To: Robert_Paulson2; Ohioan; Long Cut
Robert_Paulson2:

I think Pat sounds more and more like Hitler.

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Hitler was the leading exponent, in his time, of the idea of using armed force to impose your social values on other peoples. Pat is the exact opposite.

In this particular essay, he is assailing the idea that certain crack-pots--or what else can we call them--want to jeopardize the American future, by antagonizing a large slice of humanity, by trying to foist the absurd values of American Feminists on them.


597 Ohioan

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I'm sorry, but a man who downs his own country, based on some others' choices to not live his idea of a "moral" life, and recommends "standing with Islam" therefore, is NOT a patriot. He is anti-American.
598 Long Cut

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A. America is not in a war with Islam. We are at war with a particular outlaw internationalist movement, which happens to have Islamic origins; but that is not the same thing as being at war with Islam.

B. Pat is not saying that we should stand with Islam, except against the Feminist agenda, which would corrupt all human societies.

Read the essay, and put the remark that you are referring to in context.
599 Ohioan

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I agree that it is over-hype to call Pat a 'Hitler', or anti-american.
-- Granted, he goes overboard in his moralistic zeal.


But I can agree in a limited sense with: --

-- "B". -- Pat is not saying that we should stand with Islammic beliefs, -- except those tenents against the ~SOCIALIST~ agenda, which would corrupt all human societies.
602 posted on 05/20/2004 7:40:10 PM PDT by tpaine ("The line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being." -- Solzhenitsyn)
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To: Ohioan

You have already observed that rational discourse is at a premium on this thread.

Agreed.

PJB's cautions and prophesies go unheard and misunderstood by some. They assume a risk by ignoring him or engaging in mindless name-calling.

Their risk, not ours.


609 posted on 05/21/2004 4:51:37 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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