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To: mbraynard
The women in the article are elitist and condescending to the point of embarassment, as even the author of the piece (a self-described feminist) pointed out. I doubt anyone here thinks otherwise. Point is, you were equally repugnant in your self-righteous condemnation of educated women and sneering "I told you so" attitude in response to their stated difficulty in finding an equally educated partner, having rejected the role to which you would prefer they be relegated (career-less homemaker, wife, and mother). You paint us all with the same brush in the process ("quality men are not interested in dating someone with a biography like their own") and I just have to wonder, what is the source of your hostility?

Another thing that struck me about your earlier post was your assertion that women who pursue higher degrees do so to attract men. I certainly didn't, although you've made it clear you don't want to discuss the specifics of my case (which happen to be awfully inconvenient for your thesis). In fact, as a general rule women who are looking to attract men dumb themselves down because endearing stupidity in women tends to be reinforced by a lot of male attention, whereas intelligence and achievement are regarded as "intimidating."

Incidentally, educated men are about the only ones who aren't out looking for a much younger, dumber, and less successful partner, as a general rule. To the contrary, they pursue and marry educated women. The concern of the women in the article about "marrying down" stemmed not from the fact that male PhDs, MDs, JDs, MBAs, etc. are not interested in comparably educated women, but that there are relatively few educated men around now that women earn >50% of college and graduate degrees.

24 posted on 05/19/2004 10:18:51 AM PDT by Karyn M. PhD
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To: Karyn M. PhD
Point is, you were equally repugnant in your self-righteous condemnation of educated women and sneering "I told you so" attitude in response to their stated difficulty in finding an equally educated partner, having rejected the role to which you would prefer they be relegated (career-less homemaker, wife, and mother). You paint us all with the same brush in the process ("quality men are not interested in dating someone with a biography like their own") and I just have to wonder, what is the source of your hostility?

I have no hostility and stand by my point. My comment was directed toward the women who were complaining about 'marrying down.' My point is that the the guys that these women consider their 'equal' are not as interested in marrying an 'equal' and have less or no qualms about 'marrying down.' I base this on a large amount of personal experience, on men I know who have expressed comment on the subject and in their choice of wives. This isn't a matter of opinion but of fact.

Another thing that struck me about your earlier post was your assertion that women who pursue higher degrees do so to attract men.

I mentioned in response to someone else who commented on this that it was a mistake in my part. That is correct.

In fact, as a general rule women who are looking to attract men dumb themselves down because endearing stupidity in women tends to be reinforced by a lot of male attention, whereas intelligence and achievement are regarded as "intimidating."

If that's true, it makes my point.

However, I would never have personally said something like that - sounds really 'repugnant' and like 'self-righteous condemnation' of women. I don't really believe it, either, but if you say so... The concern of the women in the article about "marrying down" stemmed not from the fact that male PhDs, MDs, JDs, MBAs, etc. are not interested in comparably educated women, but that there are relatively few educated men around now that women earn >50% of college and graduate degrees. Right. And the 'relatively few men' have the pick of the litter and go for the 22 year old with an undergrad degree looking to makea family rather than her 29 year old sister who has a wall of diplomas and is consumed with her career.

See here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/915289/posts

25 posted on 05/19/2004 10:33:41 AM PDT by mbraynard
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To: Karyn M. PhD
This is take two - where the italics make sense. ---- Point is, you were equally repugnant in your self-righteous condemnation of educated women and sneering "I told you so" attitude in response to their stated difficulty in finding an equally educated partner, having rejected the role to which you would prefer they be relegated (career-less homemaker, wife, and mother). You paint us all with the same brush in the process ("quality men are not interested in dating someone with a biography like their own") and I just have to wonder, what is the source of your hostility?

I have no hostility and stand by my point. My comment was directed toward the women who were complaining about 'marrying down.' My point is that the the guys that these women consider their 'equal' are not as interested in marrying an 'equal' and have less or no qualms about 'marrying down.' I base this on a large amount of personal experience, on men I know who have expressed comment on the subject and in their choice of wives. This isn't a matter of opinion but of fact. I guess we cuold dig up social research data to back it up if needed.

Another thing that struck me about your earlier post was your assertion that women who pursue higher degrees do so to attract men.

I mentioned in response to someone else who commented on this that it was a mistake in my part. That is correct.

In fact, as a general rule women who are looking to attract men dumb themselves down because endearing stupidity in women tends to be reinforced by a lot of male attention, whereas intelligence and achievement are regarded as "intimidating."

If that's true, it makes my point.

However, I would never have personally said something like that - sounds really 'repugnant' and like 'self-righteous condemnation' of women. I don't really believe it, either, but if you say so...

The concern of the women in the article about "marrying down" stemmed not from the fact that male PhDs, MDs, JDs, MBAs, etc. are not interested in comparably educated women, but that there are relatively few educated men around now that women earn >50% of college and graduate degrees.

Right. And the 'relatively few men' have the pick of the litter and go for the 22 year old with an undergrad degree looking to makea family rather than her 29 year old sister who has a wall of diplomas and is consumed with her career.

See here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/915289/posts

26 posted on 05/19/2004 10:37:10 AM PDT by mbraynard
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