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To: Karyn M. PhD
This is take two - where the italics make sense. ---- Point is, you were equally repugnant in your self-righteous condemnation of educated women and sneering "I told you so" attitude in response to their stated difficulty in finding an equally educated partner, having rejected the role to which you would prefer they be relegated (career-less homemaker, wife, and mother). You paint us all with the same brush in the process ("quality men are not interested in dating someone with a biography like their own") and I just have to wonder, what is the source of your hostility?

I have no hostility and stand by my point. My comment was directed toward the women who were complaining about 'marrying down.' My point is that the the guys that these women consider their 'equal' are not as interested in marrying an 'equal' and have less or no qualms about 'marrying down.' I base this on a large amount of personal experience, on men I know who have expressed comment on the subject and in their choice of wives. This isn't a matter of opinion but of fact. I guess we cuold dig up social research data to back it up if needed.

Another thing that struck me about your earlier post was your assertion that women who pursue higher degrees do so to attract men.

I mentioned in response to someone else who commented on this that it was a mistake in my part. That is correct.

In fact, as a general rule women who are looking to attract men dumb themselves down because endearing stupidity in women tends to be reinforced by a lot of male attention, whereas intelligence and achievement are regarded as "intimidating."

If that's true, it makes my point.

However, I would never have personally said something like that - sounds really 'repugnant' and like 'self-righteous condemnation' of women. I don't really believe it, either, but if you say so...

The concern of the women in the article about "marrying down" stemmed not from the fact that male PhDs, MDs, JDs, MBAs, etc. are not interested in comparably educated women, but that there are relatively few educated men around now that women earn >50% of college and graduate degrees.

Right. And the 'relatively few men' have the pick of the litter and go for the 22 year old with an undergrad degree looking to makea family rather than her 29 year old sister who has a wall of diplomas and is consumed with her career.

See here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/915289/posts

26 posted on 05/19/2004 10:37:10 AM PDT by mbraynard
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To: mbraynard
As far as I can tell you have no point except that women who want to do something other than be a housewife should sit down, shut up, and stop bitching about the difficulty in finding a partner. With an attitude like that it’s difficult to discuss anything rationally, so I understand.

Let me make this as simple as possible.

Men are blessed in the sense that they can expect both family and career and do so without having to listen to the hysterics of traditionalists such as yourself. Some women believe that this privilege should be theirs as well and go for it, critics be damned.

There are a lot of men out there who want a maid/chef/nanny/ etc. as a partner and will not consider educated women. Most educated women won’t consider them either. No skin off anyone’s noses.

There are also lots of men who want something more than a Stepford wife. They tend to be educated and tend to marry educated women. I know this because I interact with PhDs and MDs every day. I’d sure like to know where you’re finding men with that level of education who prefer 22 year-olds who want to stay home and have babies, because I don’t know a single one.

This is the point of the article, which you keep missing: the women being quoted want to marry men with PhDs or whatever other degree they themselves have obtained. They’re not finding those men not because the men are out dating 20 year-olds named Bambie, but because there are significantly fewer men who have attained that level of education. That’s why they’re griping about “marrying down” as opposed to not being able to marry at all. If the world were as you see it, none of these women should ever have a date let alone get married.

As Forrest Gump would say, “That’s all I have to say about that.”

27 posted on 05/19/2004 11:56:26 AM PDT by Karyn M. PhD
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To: mbraynard; Karyn M. PhD

At 39, widowed, with 2 pre-teen sons in need of a father, I'm not above looking for a man in the blue collar ranks.

At least in marrying down I might find a man with decent biceps....as opposed to the jello-pudding filled spaghetti noodles sported by those men who do make it to the world of white collar these days.


29 posted on 05/19/2004 12:14:19 PM PDT by softengine (Life is like a roll of toilet paper.....The closer you get to the end, the faster it goes.)
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