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Iraq Artillery Shell Contained 3-4 Liters of Sarin
Fox News ^ | May 17, 2004

Posted on 05/18/2004 9:23:50 AM PDT by Living Free in NH

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To: KarlInOhio

At least they weren't exposed enough to be doing the chicken. That would suck.


341 posted on 05/18/2004 6:28:08 PM PDT by Tennessee_Bob (in time...like tears in the rain...)
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To: dawn53

"Sarin is extremely toxic-one hundred milligrams, roughly one drop, can kill the average person in a few minutes time. People who do not receive a lethal dose and do not receive immediate medical attention can suffer permanent neurological damage."

http://www.fas.org/biosecurity/sarin.html">http://www.fas.org/biosecurity/sarin.html

And according to FAS, the technique that Iraq had produced sarin in a relatively very pure form.


342 posted on 05/18/2004 6:50:18 PM PDT by Quick_Rod
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To: Living Free in NH
Where is the Administration on this. It only takes one drop of Sarin on your skin to kill you when properly detonated. The enemy will learn how to employ it correctly soon.

And yet it is as if nothing abnormal happened.

President Bush should be reacting to the first use of WMDs against US troops since WW1. China and Islam are watching.

Failure to Fight Back EMBOLDENS the enemy.
343 posted on 05/18/2004 10:10:12 PM PDT by TomasUSMC
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To: Numbers Guy

Or it could simply be no one was around it when it went off and therefore no casualties.


344 posted on 05/19/2004 12:42:47 AM PDT by DB (©)
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To: Quick_Rod

Is there a shelf life to Sarin and is it stored in the shells?


345 posted on 05/19/2004 4:21:08 AM PDT by Thebaddog (Who's that poodle?)
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To: txradioguy

Great response to Galt and I thought you'd like to know, his FR account has been banned or suspended.

He is a long time disruptor to these threads and it has harmed FR because lurkers seeking to learn information about the subjects at hand give up in frustration and leave.


346 posted on 05/19/2004 4:28:30 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Petronski

Galt's accounts has been banned or suspended thankfully.


347 posted on 05/19/2004 4:29:03 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Petronski
Who is John Galt? Paid leftist schill.

Bingo. And now he's gone. Let's hope permanently.

348 posted on 05/19/2004 4:32:03 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: mvpel
Re: Lethal doses per liter: 2,178,000

Enough lethal doses, in this one warhead, to whipe out 6.5 Million people.

349 posted on 05/19/2004 4:35:18 AM PDT by ChadGore (Vote Bush. He's Earned It.)
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To: Thebaddog

Storage in the binary form of which Iraq has/had stored their stocks and as the way the shell was designed to keep the precursers separate until the shell was fired, FAS stated that this method could preserve the sarin for extensive periods of time.

I tried to go back and see if they, FAS, gave an exact count in years but the server to their site is down this morning. When it comes back online I will post a link to their quote on the time of storage.


350 posted on 05/19/2004 4:41:19 AM PDT by Quick_Rod
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To: dartuser
"Yes! ... No doubt this is a new Iraqi method of applying pesticides to crops ... fire 155mm shells into the field ... What will the libs think of next ..."

Could be that they have some REALLY BIG bugs...

351 posted on 05/19/2004 4:53:53 AM PDT by RightOnlinesWife
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To: JohnGalt
what I can I possibly tell you that will make you Hard on

Since I'm not gay, nothing. But thanks for the object lesson yesterday on the propaganda technique of moving the goal posts. First you post a thread to gloat that Rummy was saying that the shell might not have contained sarin. Then, when the substance was found to be the binary components of sarin, you pooh-poohed the significance of that, and when that became untenable you then moved the goal posts so far as to say that only nukes counted as WMDs - but you'd been gloating for months that we hadn't found chemical weapons. Pure dishonesty.

So for your final posts here, you lowered yourself to an entirely new level of mendacity. And then are probably screaming somewhere about how FR is unwilling to tolerate other points of view. Well, we've always said that we'll tolerate honest liberals interested in fair debate. You failed both the honesty and the fairness test.

352 posted on 05/19/2004 5:59:50 AM PDT by dirtboy (John Kerry - Hillary without the fat ankles and the FBI files...)
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To: nuffsenuff
Hey, I can see what he's saying in a very general way, in that the Islamofascists have gotten used to do some dirty work since the time of Hitler. If you allowed it, you could become convinced that a country like China is pulling some strings. But puppeting us and the rest of the allies to fight in Iraq? That's bizarre.

I am more concerned with China's inroads in South and Central Americas, and the influence they now have over the Panama Canal. And beyond that, I am more concerned that Putin in Russia is a classic Sheep in Wolf's clothing.

The commies might just be coming, but they aren't under the bed, either.
353 posted on 05/19/2004 7:02:32 AM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: mvpel; dawn53

The precise "laboratory" answer to your question is in this post.

The "proper military use" answer is probably more on the order of five potential thousand deaths, if it were set off in an enclosed environment after proper firing.



354 posted on 05/19/2004 7:38:33 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: Helms

Not only is the world "mad" at this point,our media is allowing the far leftwingnuts to "move the bar" once again.

Lets see....they claim Bush lied about WMD's, even though every government on earth agreed with the assessment. They ignore John Kerry's statements concerning this from a year ago, they ignore the Clinton Administrations REPEATED statements that Iraq was an "ongoing threat" with WMD's.

Now that we have in fact an found artillery shell with SARIN...."its only one" is making the rounds, ignoring the Mustard Gas weapons found....and some are actually saying, and posting on other boards, Sarin IS NOT A WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION.

I can only surmise it will take Hollywood, or San Francisco being wiped out, or at least hit so hard tens of thousands are killed before the likes of the leftwingnuts will open their eyes to whats happening.

And then, of course, it will all be the President's fault....at this point my disgust for the left has reached an all time high...and thats really saying something.


355 posted on 05/19/2004 7:43:13 AM PDT by Badeye
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To: AFPhys
The leftists did the exact same thing with the plutonium ceramic in the Cassini probe, trying to prevent its launch (remember Helen Caldicot? Didn't think you did), so let them do the egghead routine now.

Inhaled plutonium particles can cause lung cancer, leukemia, liver cancer and bone cancer. Dr. Helen Caldicot, founder of Physicians for Social Responsibility, says that plutonium "is so toxic that less than one-millionth of a gram, an invisible particle, is a carcinogenic dose. One pound, uniformly distributed, could hypothetically induce lung cancer in every person on Earth." Dr John Gofman, former member of the Manhattan Project, says "The number of cancer doses is so high as to make calculations extraneous."

...

In the event of re-entry, how much plutonium will be released in inhalable form and how many deaths would be caused are debatable. The most conservative range is between 120 and 200,000 cancer fatalities.

...

What's worse, you've just scattered a vaporized nuclear reactor core in the earth's atmosphere. Thousands, if not millions, of earthlings will eventually die as a result of exposure to radiation.

What's even more irritating is that this last leftist didn't even know the difference between an RTG and a nuclear reactor.

356 posted on 05/19/2004 7:50:04 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: freeperfromnj

They probably didn't. These two solders, and many others might have been toast if it weren't sarin. Apparently bianery shells to don't mix properly when set off by an externaly booster.


357 posted on 05/19/2004 7:54:41 AM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: JohnGalt

You clearly have outdone yourself today, JGault.

I think you ought to check yourself into the funny farm.

"Liberalism is a mental disorder" - perhaps you have it and just didn't realize you are a closet liberal all along... maybe you're along the lines of some type of schizo-liberalism disease who has one view of isolationism and another when it comes to social assistance. I dunno - I'm not a psychiatrist.

You clearly are not an "American Conservative" as you have so often trumpeted to me. I still don't know what you are, but you aren't that.

I truly believe you ought to have a psychiatrist check into your situation.


358 posted on 05/19/2004 7:59:07 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: Steve_Seattle; txradioguy; jacquej
Time for the obvious question.

Who is John Galt?

According to all he has written to me in the past, he proclaims himself to be "an American Conservative" and all the rest of us (with one exception - don't recall that nic) are liberal sheeple, but we don't realize it.

As I said to him yet again in my post above, JGault is clearly not a conservative - but I still don't know what he is.

359 posted on 05/19/2004 8:05:41 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Other DU spin: since it wasn't fired from an artillery piece, the binary chemicals didn't mix properly and therefore it wasn't a WMD.

It was OLD, so it doesn't count because it was a leftover from the Iran-Iraq war.

It wasn't Saddam's, it was his family's.

LOL --- Hey, I LIKE that

360 posted on 05/19/2004 8:09:35 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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