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Army, CIA want torture truths exposed
UPI ^ | 5/18/04 | Martin Sieff

Posted on 05/18/2004 8:12:29 AM PDT by TexKat

WASHINGTON, May 18 (UPI) -- Efforts at the top level of the Bush administration and the civilian echelon of the Department of Defense to contain the Iraq prison torture scandal and limit the blame to a handful of enlisted soldiers and immediate senior officers have already failed: The scandal continues to metastasize by the day.

Over the past weekend and into this week, devastating new allegations have emerged putting Stephen Cambone, the first Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence, firmly in the crosshairs and bringing a new wave of allegations cascading down on the head of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, when he scarcely had time to catch his breath from the previous ones.

Even worse for Rumsfeld and his coterie of neo-conservative true believers who have run the Pentagon for the past 3½ years, three major institutions in the Washington power structure have decided that after almost a full presidential term of being treated with contempt and abuse by them, it's payback time.

Those three institutions are: The United States Army, the Central Intelligence Agency and the old, relatively moderate but highly experienced Republican leadership in the United States Senate.

None of those groups is chopped liver: Taken together they comprise a devastating Grand Slam.

The spearhead for the new wave of revelations and allegations - but by no means the only source of them - is veteran investigative journalist Seymour Hersh. In a major article published in the New Yorker this week and posted on to its Web-site Saturday, Hersh revealed that a high-level Pentagon operation code-named Copper Green "encouraged physical coercion and sexual humiliation" of Iraqi prisoners. He also cited Pentagon sources and consultants as saying that photographing the victims of such abuse was an explicit part of the program meant to force the victims into becoming blackmailed reliable informants.

Hersh further claimed in his article that Rumsfeld himself approved the program and that one of his four or five top aides, Cambone, set it up in Baghdad and ran it.

These allegations of course are anathema to the White House, Rumsfeld and their media allies. In a highly unusual step for any newspaper, the editorially neo-conservative tabloid New York Post ran an editorial Monday seeking to ridicule and discredit Hersh. However, it presented absolutely no evidence to query, let alone discredit the substance of his article and allegations.

Instead, the New York Post editorial inadvertently pointed out one, but by no means all, of the major sources for Hersh's information. The editorial alleged that Hersh had received much of his material from the CIA.

Based on the material Hersh quoted, his legendary intelligence community contacts were probably sources for some of his information. However, Hersh has also enjoyed close personal relations with many now high-ranking officers in the United States Army, going all the way back to his prize-winning coverage and scoops in Vietnam more than 30 years ago.

Indeed, intelligence and regular Army sources have told UPI that senior officers and officials in both communities are sickened and outraged by the revelations of mass torture and abuse, and also by the incompetence involved, in the Abu Ghraib prison revelations. These sources also said that officials all the way up to the highest level in both the Army and the Agency are determined not to be scapegoated, or allow very junior soldiers or officials to take the full blame for the excesses.

President George W. Bush in his weekly radio address Saturday claimed that the Abu Ghraib abuses were only "the actions of a few" and that they did not "reflect the true character of the Untied States armed forces."

But what enrages many serving senior Army generals and U.S. top-level intelligence community professionals is that the "few" in this case were not primarily the serving soldiers who were actually encouraged to carry out the abuses and even then take photos of the victims, but that they were encouraged to do so, with the Army's well-established safeguards against such abuses deliberately removed by high-level Pentagon civilian officials.

Abuse and even torture of prisoners happens in almost every war on every side. But well-run professional armies, and the U.S. Army has always been one, take great pains to guard against it and limit it as much as possible. Even in cases where torture excesses are regarded as essential to extract tactical information and save lives, commanders in most modern armies have taken care to limit such "dirty work" to very small units, usually from special forces, and to keep it as secret as possible.

For senior Army professionals know that allowing patterns of abuse and torture to metastasize in any army is annihilating to its morale and tactical effectiveness. Torturers usually make lousy combat soldiers, which is why combat soldiers in every major army hold them in contempt.

Therefore, several U.S. military officers told UPI, the idea of using regular Army soldiers, including some even just from the Army Reserve or National Guard, and encouraging them to inflict such abuses ran contrary to received military wisdom and to the ingrained standards and traditions of the U.S. Army.

The widespread taking of photographs of the victims of such abuses, they said, clearly revealed that civilian "amateurs" and not regular Army or intelligence community professionals were the driving force in shaping and running the programs under which these abuses occurred.

Hersh has spearheaded the waves of revelations of shocking abuse. But other major U.S. media organizations are now charging in behind him to confirm and extend his reports. They are able to do so because many senior veteran professionals in both the CIA and the Army were disgusted by the revelations of the torture excesses. Now they are being listened to with suddenly receptive ears on Capitol Hill.

Republican members in the House of Representatives have kept discipline and silence on the revelations. But with the exception of the increasingly isolated and embarrassed Senate Republican Leader, Bill Frist of Tennessee, other senior mainstream figures in the GOP Senate majority have refused to go along with any cover-up.

Sens. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, Orrin Hatch of Utah, Richard Lugar of Indiana, Pat Roberts of Kansas and John Warner of Virginia have all been outspoken in their condemnation of the torture excesses. And they did so even before the latest, most far-reaching and worst of the allegations and reports surfaced. Warner, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, lost no time in hauling Rumsfeld before it to testify.

The pattern of the latest wave of revelations is clear: They are coming from significant numbers of senior figures in both the U.S. military and intelligence services. They reflect the disgust and contempt widely felt in both communities at the excesses; and at long last, they are being listened to seriously by senior Republican, as well as Democratic, senators on Capitol Hill.

Rumsfeld and his team of top lieutenants have therefore now lost the confidence, trust and respect of both the Army and intelligence establishments. Key elements of the political establishment even of the ruling GOP now recognize this.

Yet Rumsfeld and his lieutenants remain determined to hang on to power, and so far President Bush has shown every sign of wanting to keep them there. The scandal, therefore, is far from over. The revelations will continue. The cost of the abuses to the American people and the U.S. national interest is already incalculable: And there is no end in sight.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abughraib; army; cambone; carbone; cia; conspiracy; coppergreen; iraqipow; johnwarner; lindseygraham; orrinhatch; patroberts; prisonabuse; richardlugar; rumsfeld; seymourhersh; stephencambone; syhersch
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1 posted on 05/18/2004 8:12:30 AM PDT by TexKat
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To: TexKat

Get Rumsfield...


2 posted on 05/18/2004 8:17:16 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: TexKat

The Army and the CIA have groups of nearly mutinous officials who have hated Rumsfeld's (and Bush's) challenge to their self-perceived importance, and who are willing to feed crap to that liar Hersh to accomplish their goals.


3 posted on 05/18/2004 8:17:46 AM PDT by pierrem15
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To: TexKat

Isn't Hersh the dingbat who said he had proof of JFK's affair with Marylin Monroe, then refused to accept that his evidence was bogus, even after someone pointed out that letters he held up as evidence had zip codes before the invention of zip codes.


4 posted on 05/18/2004 8:18:42 AM PDT by js1138 (In a minute there is time, for decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse. J Forbes Kerry)
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To: js1138

I believe he is one and the same.


5 posted on 05/18/2004 8:21:53 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

The media smell blood and aren't going to let this go. They will drag this out as long as they can.


6 posted on 05/18/2004 8:26:56 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: TexKat
Just a Media Hail-Mary pass in their now-dead effort to get Rumsfeld. It is over. The guilty troops are testifying that their Chain of Command had no idea what they were doing. The WMD has knocked the story from the front pages.
7 posted on 05/18/2004 8:30:53 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: TexKat

This is baloney.


8 posted on 05/18/2004 8:32:53 AM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds, a pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: Pukin Dog

Exactly. This one is on life support. Notice how everything now hangs on one reporter's story whose methods and "sources" are, to say the least, questionable. The facts are indeed running against them and they know it.


9 posted on 05/18/2004 8:36:37 AM PDT by jayef
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To: Tennessean4Bush

No story. No legs at all.


10 posted on 05/18/2004 8:36:48 AM PDT by BillyCrockett
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Who OK'd Iraqi abuse?

The Pentagon's denial is no explanation; Rumsfeld needs to answer the charge that he approved maltreating inmates and say whether Bush knew.

11 posted on 05/18/2004 8:44:25 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TexKat

This is an editorial masquerading as news.


12 posted on 05/18/2004 8:46:29 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: TexKat

HEY!! Where's the MegaBarf alert?? I'm surprised the stupid idiot Ron Peters or whatever his name was wasn't mentioned in this article. I couldn't see the picture just heard a voice on Cavuto the other day and the quality of the bitterness towards Rumsfield was unquestionably pegged to Peters. His ilk are the types that have a HUGE axe to grind.


13 posted on 05/18/2004 8:50:22 AM PDT by time4good
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To: jayef

It is not even on life support. This is just an open coffin wake. It is gone. A some real damage to Bush but not the damage they had hoped for. I bey he recovers from it. It reamins to be seen but they may have damaged themselves a bit. I hope so.


14 posted on 05/18/2004 8:52:47 AM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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To: TexKat

He keeps talking about new waves of revelations.

I haven't seen any waves of revelations--merely the carefully written 'shock' article by Hersh, quoting lots of retired officials (who probably don't know s...) about their speculations.


15 posted on 05/18/2004 8:56:37 AM PDT by wildbill
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To: TexKat

(e-mail to UPI)

Hey UPI -

Tell the liar Marxist Martin Sieff that I'm not buying his Nazi propaganda. Try telling your fairy tales to wide-eyed little children at the democrat convention this summer. If that doesn't work, goosestep over to Iraq and find a few terrorists. I'm sure your mass-murdering terrorist buddies will believe you.


16 posted on 05/18/2004 8:57:05 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Gen. Custer wore an Arrowsmith shirt to his last property owner convention.)
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To: TexKat
Sounds like a win-win scenario for this 'writer' and the get-Bush klan: either they take Rummy down in shame and use that brush on the entire administration until November, or Bush keeps Rummy and they use that to paint Bush as complicit until November.

Either way we are doomed to watch and listen to Abu Ghraib ad nauseum. If a volcano suddenly blasted an entire continent off the face of the Earth, as soon as the news alert timed out they'd be back to torture! shame! US falls! more video at 11!

17 posted on 05/18/2004 8:58:38 AM PDT by Sender (<a href="http://www.democrats.org/">Miserable Failure</a>)
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To: TexKat

As I've said in other posts, I'd be surprised and disappointed if there wasn't an SAP program. Of course the CIA was interrogating under the radar after 9-11.

But if the story is correct and Rumsfeld brought it into a static environment and expanded the number of people who knew about it, he SHOULD be fired.

Things don't stay secret if you tell lots of people.


18 posted on 05/18/2004 8:59:24 AM PDT by PolitBase
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To: Sender

Doomed to listen? You don't have an OFF button?


19 posted on 05/18/2004 9:02:47 AM PDT by Ben Chad
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To: TexKat
Efforts at the top level of the Bush administration and the civilian echelon of the Department of Defense to contain the Iraq prison torture scandal and limit the blame to a handful of enlisted soldiers and immediate senior officers have already failed: The scandal continues to metastasize by the day.

No bias there--just straight news.

20 posted on 05/18/2004 9:03:13 AM PDT by TankerKC (R.I.P. Spc Trevor A. Win'E American Hero)
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