The radio report said that Pizza Hut has fired the delivery man.
Turn about is fair play.
Won't the Police see that tantamount to shooting an unarmed man?
If it really happened like this, then Honeycutt is going to be in a lot of legal trouble. He shot a disarmed man. I'm not saying that he should be in trouble, just that I expect that he will be.
Fired? They should use him as their Poster Person.
Live by the 15-round clip, die by the 15-round clip.
I very much empathize with the pizza deliveryman, who most likely was only defending himself, and probably had just seen his life flash before him, thinking he was going to die.
HF
Hate crime.
Racially motivated.
Delivery Guy is a veteran with PTSD.
Perp was gay.
It's for the chilrun.
Take your pick - those refridgerator word-mix magnets do wonders! Make up your own talking points quickly and without thinking - just pull at random.
"Honeycutt was able to take the Brown's gun away from him and fired 15 rounds from his own gun, striking Brown several times, according to police. "
this statement will prove key. if Honeycutt can prove he got the gun AFTER he shot Brown, he's off the hook. the sentence is worded in a way to simply make one assume, without actually stating anything.
how many times is "several"? was there a gun battle? was Honeycutt injured? we dnt know.
Reminds me of a pizza robbery gone bad in the Pittsburgh Northside area some ten years ago. Two pizza delivery guys were working in pairs because it was such a bad (urban) stinkhole. They were robbed, one shot and killed, the other, bleeding, dragged himself down the street several blocks to the General Mail Facility (big postal processing plant that's open all night.) Security officers found him and helped save his life. This happened late at night, and they were still cleaning up the blood from the street the next morning.
I smell a lawsuit.
A lawsuit was filed by the family of the victim who tried to rob a pizza driver...
In other news - "The people arriving to drop off weapons drive through a series of cones up to the Indianapolis Police Department officers, handing over the guns without ever leaving their cars. Around the other side they meet with HCGV volunteers, who provide them with $20, a coupon for Domino"s Pizza and educational information."
http://www.nuvo.net/archive/2002/10/02/one_gun_makes_a_difference.html
Sounds like a hate crime to me. I have a guess as to race of shooter and shootee.
I was robbed in what was a total setup. The delivery address turned out to be a two story, 4 unit apt. building. The stairs to the top 2 apts. were in the middle of the building. Of course the apt. my delivery was to was on the second story. I knocked and no one answered, kncoked again and then I heard footsteps and and at the bottom of the stairs was a guy with a bandana masking his face pointing a shotgun at me. He told me to throw my wallet which had all the collections from previous pizza deliveries. I complied since I had no where to run(two locked apt.s on both sides and the robber blocking the entrance). After I complied the robber told me that he was going move from the entrance and that I should run. Which I did.
Luckily I had the keys to my car and the robber would have taken the car also. I ran. This neighborhood had seen some bad times but was being gentrified a bit since it's close proximity to downtown Columbus and the houses were mostly turn of century and were built well.
I started going door to door, knocking to see if I could use a phone(this was before mass cell phone availibilty) to call the police. Finally a house purchased by a newlywed couple answered. I told them what just happened and used the phone and the police were there in about 15 minutes.
Well the rest of the story is that I made my police report and, I quit being a pizza deliverer and about a month later they caught the guy when an undercover cop got the robber disguised as a Domino's deliveryman.
My opinion is that the pizza deliverer should be cut a break. It was the robber who started the crime and he got his just consequences, IMO.
I can't blame the delivery man for carrying...He was delivering at a less-than-ideal part of town.
What happened to the pizza!?!
stupid on pizza huts part. if they wanted to get rid of him they should transfer him to a different store every night. Because they are going to catch hell from us for saying " Yes you can deliver our pizzas for us but you can not defend yourself....." That little message is going to cost them Millions.
This is an easy one because any crime story from Indianapolis that involves a white has to have a list of the hate crimes that have occured over recent months. Since this report says nothing about hate crimes or evil armed white men, my bet is that both guys are black. If the armed pizza man had been white, the story would have mentioned his rap sheet or the absence of it.
Deliveryman: 'It was my gun or his'
By Terry Horne
terry.horne@indystar.com
May 18, 2004
Marion County prosecutors will decide if any charges will be filed against a pizza deliveryman who killed an armed man during an apparent robbery attempt Monday night on the city's Far Eastside.
"I'm just satisfied it was him and not me," said Ronald B. Honeycutt, 38, of Carmel this morning.
Honeycutt said he pulled his gun and fired off all 15 rounds when, as he was about to get into his van, he turned and saw a man coming toward him.
"He said, "Hey, my guy," and as he said "Hey, my guy," he's lifting his arm up with his gun in his hand."
Honeycutt said he pulled his own 9 mm pistol and fired off all 15 rounds at the other man at close range.
The other man, Jerome Brown, 20, 9500 block of East 39th Place, was taken to Methodist Hospital where he died a short time later.
Marion County Sheriff Capt. Phil Burton said there were no witnesses to the shooting, which occurred about 11 p.m. in the 3600 block of Long Wharf Drive.
Burton said he did not know how many times Brown was shot but it was multiple times.
Burton said the investigators would present their findings to the Marion County Prosecutor's office.
Honeycutt said detectives had told him that "something could come out of it" because of the number of times he had shot Brown.
Honeycutt said he emptied his gun in less than 10 seconds and kept firing because he couldn't tell whether the bullets were striking Brown, who was three to five feet away. "He never ran. He never cried. He never moved. It was like I was missing him altogether."
Honeycutt said that after Brown fell, with his gun arm outstretched, Brown said, "I just wanted a pizza."
But Honeycutt said he didn't believe him, "because that's not what he wanted," he said.
The deliveryman said he later learned that Brown's gun never fired because there wasn't a round in the chamber. However, he did hear Brown's gun click two times, he said.
Honeycutt, who said he was laid off about a year ago from a transportation job with The Indianapolis Star, said he has been delivering pizza for 20 years. "I've always had a gun," he said. "I like delivering pizzas. It's a fair job, but I don't plan on dying for it. I know so many people that really got mangled up."
Honeycutt, who was delivering for the Pizza Hut store at 8932 E. 38th Street, said he had already made a $50 delivery Monday night where bystanders had badgered him. "I expected to get robbed," he said.
Then he drove to the Long Wharf Drive apartment. He said he noticed two men coming towards him as he was approaching the building but he doesn't know if either of them were Brown or associated with him.
After making his delivery, he turned around -- "to check my back one more time" -- and saw a man walking briskly toward him. He had reached his van and opened the door when he saw Brown raise his arm, he said. "Once he leveled that gun at me, it was my gun or his."
Honeycutt said he picked up Brown's gun after the shooting, because he feared Brown had an accomplice, and drove back to the store, just a couple of minutes away, where detectives later met him.
Honeycutt said he was fired from his job because he had violated the store policy against carrying a gun, which he was licensed to carry.
"It's my life. I choose which policy to follow."
A Pizza Hut spokeswoman, Patty Sullivan, confirmed that the ban on carrying weapons is a company policy.
Honeycutt said he had never had to fire his gun in self-defense before, although he had pointed at some would-be robbers once before.
"I'm a pretty down to earth kind of person. With everything that's transpired since 911, killing these days almost seems a necessity if it means your life or theirs."
"The victim was taken to a local hospital where he later died, RTV6 reproted."
Victim, what victim? Did the Pizza Delivery man get hurt by shooting the perp?