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To: js1138
"TOPS then explicitly rejects several implications of Darwinian evolution. These include: (1a) The implication that living things are best understood from the bottom up, in terms of their molecular constituents."

This is wrong-headed from the get-go. The key component of evolution is selection, which is top-down.

Notice how what you just quoted says that TOPS "rejects several implications of Darwinian evolution" (one such aspect being that things are best understood from the bottom-up). So saying it's "wrong-headed from the get-go" because natural selection is "top-down" is absurd. That is like saying "the world must be flat because a curved surface would contradict basic tenets of contemporary flat-earth theory". You cannot use a competing theory of itself to disprove a counter-proposal.

12 posted on 05/17/2004 2:58:35 PM PDT by explodingspleen (When life gets complex, multiply by the complex conjugate.)
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To: explodingspleen
Notice how what you just quoted says that TOPS "rejects several implications of Darwinian evolution" (one such aspect being that things are best understood from the bottom-up). So saying it's "wrong-headed from the get-go" because natural selection is "top-down" is absurd. That is like saying "the world must be flat because a curved surface would contradict basic tenets of contemporary flat-earth theory". You cannot use a competing theory of itself to disprove a counter-proposal.

You're completely missing the point -- the point is that TOPS is engaging in straw-man fallacies, by misrepresenting what the implications of "Darwinian evolution" are, and then "rejecting" something that evolution does not actually include.

15 posted on 05/17/2004 3:05:55 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: explodingspleen

TOPS has mistated what evolutionary theory said. This has nothing to do with validity, only with the TOPS writer's misunderstanding or dishonesty with respect to evolution.


32 posted on 05/17/2004 8:50:38 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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