Lando 
Posted on 05/17/2004 11:14:03 AM PDT by Lando Lincoln
Editor's Note: Barbara Stock's column on ChronWatch last week about the killing of Nick Berg garnered more than 18,000 hits (readers), and many readers from around the world sent comments to her. Barbara engaged in discussion with some of them, and tells about it in today's column.
My column last week--“My Rage Over the Nick Berg Killing--An apology to the Pigs of the World”-- set off quite a firestorm of differing opinions about the war on terror. At times there was hope, but most of the responses from Muslims around the world left me feeling there is little hope for a peaceful future.
There was only one Muslim woman who responded that she realized the threat radical Islam is to the world and that Muslims needs to address it within their own ranks. At this moment, she and others like her seem to be in the minority.
Most followers of Islam preferred to respond either in anger, stating that Americans needed to be exterminated or, while condemning the actions of terrorists, would blindly insist ''they are not Islam.'' They insisted that no Muslim does such things, preferring to ignore the situation altogether or blame it all on American and Jewish aggression.
Of course, there was the obligatory blame put on Israel. Some readers responded that If it were not for the Jews and Zionists, the world would be a peaceful place. They maintained that once the Jews are gone, all will be well. Some insisted that the Jews carried out the 9/11 attack. They thought I was stupid and uneducated, not to see that. Many readers seemed to feel that we Americans are just so ignorant that we can’t possibly understand Islam’s place in the world.
There are Sunni Muslims, Shi’a Muslims, and Wahabi Muslims and they appear to hate each other. Each sees Islam through a different prism. The most violent is the Wahabi branch, and it is the branch that that most--but not all-- the terrorists come. It is the Wahabi sect that is doing the most killing around the world and it is this sect that kills fellow Muslims without regard to whether or not they accept the Wahabi vision of Islamic world domination. This is a danger that seems to go unnoticed by other Muslims. The Wahabis are the ones who want to return to the Islamic glory days that ended centuries ago.
When I pointed out that more Muslims have been killed by fellow Muslims than any Jewish force, the responders flew into a rage and insisted that Muslims don’t kill each other since Allah forbids it. But even some readers could not deny that Muslims do kill other Muslims, but blamed it on the Wahabi sect and then would add, ''But they are not true Muslims.'' By disavowing this branch, they seem to be of the opinion that the rest of Islam is able to clean its hands of any blood and responsibility.
The death of Nick Berg was condemned by most readers. But most Muslims who wrote were able to overlook the crime, stating that he received more ''humane'' treatment than a few prisoners in an Iraqi prison. Besides, it was added, he was a Jew in Iraq, he had no business being there, and he was probably a spy for Israel. I found that many of the Muslims who responded could twist the facts so much that Mr. Berg slit his own throat to make Muslims look bad! For some, the fact that he was a Jew was justification enough, and it was just an added bonus that he was an American.
It upsets me to say that many of these Muslims were not from Arab countries. No, they were from Canada, Great Britain, and right here in the good old United States of America. We are Muslim first, they said.
One from England actually said that Americans should be exterminated. When I questioned her on this, she backtracked and said, ''You misunderstood! I don’t advocate killing anyone. I only meant your government, FBI, CIA, and groups like that.'' Well, what a comfort. I thought that she meant all 280 million of us. What a relief to know she only meant ten thousand or so. Oh, I would guess any infidels who fight back would have to die as well. What’s several million--give or take a hundred thousand? She apparently doesn’t see our government as ''people'' either, since she clearly said she that didn’t believe in murdering anyone--well, except all ''those'' people.
An American Muslim was the most distressing. His first attack was based on the bogus pictures taken from porno sites and passed around as gospel on the Arab news channels. When I proved to him that they were false, there was no apology. Then he sent a picture of a young girl whom he claimed was an Iraqi.
She was killed, he said, by an American sniper who laughed afterwards and bragged about his kill. There is no way that he could have known any of this but that meant nothing to him. A Muslim source told him what happened and he believed every word of it. He absolutely believes that American soldiers target small Muslim children to kill for sport. As it happened, it was a picture I had seen years ago and how the girl was killed and by whom will never be known. There was not even proof that she was Iraqi. This Muslim didn’t care about facts. It didn’t matter when the evil Americans did it. Folks, this man is an American.
When I asked about the busload of kids killed by terrorists in Iraq, I got the standard, ''They are not Muslims, but Wahabis.'' You could have fooled me. When I asked if Arafat was Wahabi, he said no. I asked about Hamas and Hezbollah—were they Wahabi? No, but they kill Jews so it was acceptable. It was the fault of the Jews.
After a week of e-mail exchanges with several Muslims, only one gave me hope. Many of the responses from around the world contained this phrase, ''America, let loose the dogs of war. It is the only way now.'' As I read, I would shake my head and think, no, no, no…there must be a better way.
What a difference a week makes. Now, at this moment anyway, I see no other way. If an American Catholic can’t carry on a discussion with Muslims in America, Canada, or England, what hope is there to reason with those from outside the Western influence? As I tried to put a face on the enemy, I kept seeing Hitler. Laboring to analyze this, the reason came to me.
Hitler blamed all of Germany’s problems on the Jews. He believed that he was the leader of the master race destined to rule the world. Hitler believed it was not a crime to kill all who didn’t fit into his mold of the ''perfect human'' because they were inferior and sub-human. Hitler led his people to death and destruction in a war in which millions died. Hitler was a threat to the world for years before a blind world realized too late that he must be destroyed.
It's Deja vu, all over again.
Lando
This woman makes a lot of sense. My hat is off to her. I don't give kitty what religion Berg was. What was done to him (Pearl and others) was outright murder. There's is no excuse under the sun to explain what happened to him and others like. Islam is evil and those who believe in this godawful cult are to blame when they stand by and refuse to condemn the action. Mohammed was an evil man and Islam is based upon an evil man. Nothing good can ever be built upon evil. Down with Islam and its followers!
She's an excellent writer. I missed the other post, but I checked it out just now. Islamic guardian to the gates of hell. I like it!
I need to print out this post. I also need to remember who I was talking to here about American Muslims, and ping them to this thread. This is powerful. Thank you for posting this.
She points out the face of anti semtism of the 21st century very well ...it is 60 years after the nazi and we are try to exterminate the jews again. It is a shame that the world cannot learn or refuses to learn from its own mistakes..
I heard this on the Jeremy Vine program on BBC radio 2 It was from a phone in listener. It was earlier on this year (2004) I write this from memory having heard it just the once so hope the fine details are correct.
The woman phoning the program was on holiday in Saudi with her husband and some friends. There was a car accident and the friends husbands wife was killed. A local Muslim was to blame for the crash. The Saudi authorities then arrested the husband and tried to blame him for the accident that killed his wife. They had a friend with them on holiday a Muslim, well educated, good job and a long time "friend". To their utter horror when they asked him to help he refused. He would not testify against a fellow Muslim on behalf of "infidels".
So much for a "moderate" western Muslim, he was no different when the time came from the extremist Muslims!!!
It upsets me to say that many of these Muslims were not from Arab countries. No, they were from Canada, Great Britain, and right here in the good old United States of America. We are Muslim first, they said.
Just damn ping...(got some of your names off a thread that didn't get pulled-if you find any merit to this one, please pass it on)
"Islam is evil and those who believe in this godawful cult are to blame when they stand by and refuse to condemn the action. Mohammed was an evil man and Islam is based upon an evil man. Nothing good can ever be built upon evil. Down with Islam and its followers!"
Yup.
I can believe it. Many people wondered(me included)why there was no outcry from the American Muslim community after 9/11. I thought perhaps they were afraid of reprisals, but now I'm not so sure. That anecdote makes things clearer.
The British schools are under siege from unruly Muslim kids. I think it's the British. Don't forget that Canada is thinking of incorporating Shari'a law into their court system. Won't that be fun. Are the Canadians ready for public stonings? They already have honor killings, like every other country with a significant Muslim presence, including us. Brrrr!
Muslims need to admit that saying 'it's them, not us' is insufficient. The Wahabbi are THEY're problem before ours, because their actions will bring down wrath upon THEIR heads as well.
(And I would've loved if the author had asked some of the respondents about the bombings in Kenya-- there, al Quaida killed 10 Kenyans (mostly Muslims) for every one American killed. Also about the confessed Jordan bomb-gas plot. And about the bombing this morning that killed the leader of the interim government. AND WHAT ABOUT SADAT? Gee, their part of the world's been pretty bloody if 'Muslims don't kill Muslims.'
I guess once a Muslim does something they can't justify, 'they're no longer a Muslim,' so they can avoid the guilt....)
BTTT
Spot on. The face of Islam is submission...death...ort capitulation. They do not preach peace and forgiveness no loving kindness in this place. THEY ARE EVIL...call Islam for what it is EVIL
bump !
Dog's of war??? Geez...these animals will kill us all. Satan's religion is doing a great job spreading evil to every inch of the planet.
I can't believe that people believe Islam will just go away. Or, that if we ignore or appease them, they'll leave us alone. Oh well...a fool and his life are soon parted when it comes to not dealing with the Islamists. This isn't like ignoring or even like turning the garden hose on the Jehovah Witnesses that come to the door. They won't be nice and just leave us alone.
- from Juilius Caesar
Bump for accuracy....
Ya beat me to it.
are you (and others here) implying that bad foundations make for a bad building? evil roots, poison the plant? that the basic tenets of a ideology make it fit for extermination?
I am outraged.
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whether or not they accept the Wahabi vision of Islamic world domination
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