Posted on 05/17/2004 11:12:42 AM PDT by The South Texan
Just to clarify, the elements are not Sarin and dispersing agent. Sarin is pretty volatile, and degrades over time once mixed. The point behind binary shells is to prevent the contents from being mixed into Sarin. This makes them safer to handle, and greatly extends the effective shelf life.
The fact that Blix can speak is not evidence that he can actually think.
Ollie North was just on FNC talking about this very thing. He said these folks didn't know how to properly discharge this weapon, and that the mix wasn't completed for sarin to be created.
Thanks again, I'd say those claiming no WMDs in Iraq have a problem now that Iraqis are using WMDs against our troops.
I certainly hope there are no old working 155 laying around.
That would be incorrect. Binary implies two stable and active ingredients that when mixed yield GB. I could tell you what they are but I think Jim would frown on it.
Gb has a relative short shelf life. One of Iraqs early problems with GB was shelf life. They figured out how to do binary and now some of those artillery shells have popped up.
Of course if you listen to some of the analysis of the media you will be left with the impression that it's either a prototype or Don Rumsfeld his it in his pants when he visited the troops last week.
This is conclusive evidence that Iraq did NOT destroy their weapons per Mr Magoo Blix nor did the Clinton Administration destroy them when they lobbed Tomahawks at camels asses per David Kaye.
It is conclusive evidence that neither Hans Blix nor David Kaye performed their missions succcessfully.
No wonder he couldn't find WMD's. He doesn't know one when he sees it.
Confusion on Roger Hedgcock's part.
I think so.
You don't need them. If you had the right equipment -- and its not that complicated -- you could remove the ingredients, mix them in another container, and then use that the mixture in another explosive device.
Thanks for you honesty, as to wanting to be imformed before reacting....But where have these WMD's been when our troops have been on the ground for 15 months looking for them???
My guess would be AL Sadr has had them hidden, Or he would not have started a war with our armed forces to begin with....He had them hidden, That was his " back up" so to speak, And he saw he was losing.
My guess is Fallujah.
I agree. I can sympathize with the people who think their interests are being served by voting for the CP candidate. My tendencies are libertarian, and, needless to say, I have had some disappointments over the past 3 years.
This said, the entire left - radicals, center-lefties, and liberals- is lining up behind Kerry.
This is reason enough to support Bush.
Hello XJarhaed! Greatings from an ex Army Redleg (81 - 85).
Glad to see that you confirmed at least some fo my recollections from the "old days"!!
On the other thread I made the suggestion that the inside of the round was somehow rigged to cause the mix (in simulation of firing) and that the round itself did not detonate as the fuse had been removed by EOD. Centcom claims a partial detonation occurred. I believe this to be the rigged explosion to mix the chemicals, and that a small amount was released when this occurred.
Since you were an Arty Officer (and I an enlisted specialist!!) maybe you can tell me if an artillery round (regardless of type) can "partially detonate"??
Not if it has been blessed properly by St. Barbara.
I suppose its possible. Start from the assumption that its not HE, so you don't have a core of high explosive. I know most of our chem rounds were base-ejecting, so perhaps you could have a fuze blow but have an unsuccessful ejection of the base. Someone might refer to that as a "partial detonation". If the Iraqi round wasn't base ejecting, I suppose that a fuze improperly mounted on a chem round might blow without detonating whatever other explosive material is inside the round.
Otherwise, though, your idea is as sound as any other I've seen. It certainly seems plausible, and would explain why those goobers would think they could use an arty round as an IED.
I've actually seen the internals of various binary shells. Even the rotation of the shell isn't enough to mix the two components. It also requires the rupture of the seals between the two containers, which occurs when the shell is fired from the cannon. Think of two tin cans stacked on top of each other inside the shell. You could spin the thing all day long. If the seals don't rupture it won't mix the chemicals.
Shell rotates mixing the binary components.
Fuse lights off and ignites the burster which disperses the agent in the air.
Suuuuuuuure. Whut's a little sarin gas between (among?) friends. Riiiiiight. OOOOoooooK.
That's how it works.
Remembering the Clintoon quote "Depends on what the meaning of 'is' is..." - how about "Depends on what the meaning of 'UN' is...". I say 'UN' stands for Unrealistic Nincompoops.
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