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To: lilylangtree

The bastard spawn of Abraham


9 posted on 05/17/2004 11:16:42 AM PDT by johnb838 (When I hear "Allahu Akhbar" it means somebody is about to die.)
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To: johnb838

God never called Ishmael a bastard and the culture of the day allowed a man to have an heir in just the way Ishmael was born and it was not and cannot be considered illegitimate. Sarai gave Hagar to Abram "to be his wife".
"Gen 16:3 And Sarai Abram's wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife."

In fact among the sons of Jacob/Israel a number were by the servants of his wives are they also bastards?

God went to a lot of trouble to preserve whom you call a "bastard" son of Abraham.
Gen 21:17 And God heard the voice of the lad; and the angel of God called to Hagar out of heaven, and said unto her, What aileth thee, Hagar? fear not; for God hath heard the voice of the lad where he [is].

Gen 21:18 Arise, lift up the lad, and hold him in thine hand; for I will make him a great nation.

Gen 21:19 And God opened her eyes, and she saw a well of water; and she went, and filled the bottle with water, and gave the lad drink.

Gen 21:20 And God was with the lad; and he grew, and dwelt in the wilderness, and became an archer.

Gen 21:21 And he dwelt in the wilderness of Paran: and his mother took him a wife out of the land of Egypt."

God recorded (Gen. 25) the names of the sons of Ishmael and did not dishonor them of whom by His own promise He "would make a great nation".

Hagar was Egyptian and many times God saved the "oracle people" even the progeny of Jacob/Israel (including Jesus) by sending them into Egypt as a place of refuge.

We may not like what the sons of Ishmael did with their gifts from God but we do not have the freedom to accuse Ishmael in an unrighteous manner. The Word requires us to judge righteous judgment.

If you ask an Ishmaelite who is his father, he is likely to know that it is Abram. Our question then becomes why he and his people no longer serve or honor the God of Abram.

The servants of Allah are reprehensible enemies of the children of the living God but see it or not Our God Reigns!


22 posted on 05/17/2004 12:04:13 PM PDT by Spirited
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