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US 'kept quiet over Holocaust'
UK Daily Mail ^ | 5/14/04 | UK Daily Mail

Posted on 05/16/2004 2:35:09 PM PDT by wagglebee

US intelligence officials knew about mass killings of Jews in Nazi Germany but failed to acknowledge Hitler's evil campaign for a full six months, according to newly declassified documents. Within months of America entering the war, intelligence staff learned of plans for the Holocaust, but the information was given low priority by government officials.

The documents also told of a previously unknown tea party hosted by Adolf Hitler on July 20, 1944, for Italian dictator Benito Mussolini.

A translator present at the gathering said Hitler swallowed coloured tablets and went into a "fit of frenzy", questioning whether "the German people are worthy of my great ideas".

The crazed dictator was foaming at the mouth, said the translator, Eugen Dollmann. "I don't know why I didn't go over to the Allies there and then," he said after his capture in 1945.

Nearly a quarter of a million pages of documents at the US National Archives were reviewed by a team of historians.

The papers were from files of the FBI, CIA and the spy agency's predecessor, the Office of Strategic Services.

Among the other findings, reported by the scholars in the USA Today newspaper, are that:

The CIA recruited 23 Germans who appeared to have perpetrated war crimes as agents;

100 more German spies were afforded protection by the US Army;

Nazis or Nazi collaborators with high intelligence value were helped by the FBI and CIA to elude prosecutions for war-crimes.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: fdrmustapologize; fdrmustresign; hitler; holocaust; nazis; wwii
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To: gcruse

You are absolutely correct. A WW II relative of mine saw the camps and knew the POWs were not going to make it. Not enough food all around? -- perhaps true, but, well the Germans use of this "reason" is not given much sympathy for deaths in their camps. My relative also said that German children going up to the camps were NOT allowed to give any food or water to the POWs by the American guards.

If they could not be fed, one alternative would have been to release some or many of them. A lot of them gladly surrendered to the Americans, after all, and merely wanted peace and home . . . most of them were no threat to future peace.

We make mistakes, we learn from them; right? Most German former-POWs who had been held by Americans, e.g. in this country, were grateful for their treatment. Of course those who starved, were not there to tell me their views . . . Overall the Germans were pro-American and the older ones are grateful to this day. There is no reason not to admit to what happened, and figure out how to learn from the situation . . .

P.S. My relative also said, the GIs had an artificial butter that they found unappetizing, so would throw the tins out. The German civilians would fish them out of the trash, and were so hungry that they would scoop the unappealing yellow stuff out with their hands and immediately eat it.


41 posted on 05/16/2004 5:59:15 PM PDT by AMDG&BVMH
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To: GODFEARINGWOMAN

So are we (killing machines), I hope. But to say that we are somewhere worse today than the generation that fought World War II, is to ignore history.


42 posted on 05/16/2004 6:02:45 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: GODFEARINGWOMAN

"They were killing machines"

Interesting choice of words. Sounds like what the liberals and anti-vet types call/called our troopers, doesn't it?

No, most of the German soldiers were just people's sons, husbands, and fathers, doing what they had to do. Like our guys in Iraq. There wasn't much choice, after all.

Note: Rommel in '44 was willing to surrender the entire Western front. Eisenhower and Dulles were in favor. (Obviously Hitler was not aware of these behind-the-scene talks). Roosevelt would not come off his "unconditional surrender" mantra. Out of loyalty to Uncle Joe, one can only surmise. Point is, many many Germans wanted peace, and many many American lives would have been saved, as well.


43 posted on 05/16/2004 6:15:34 PM PDT by AMDG&BVMH
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To: wagglebee

"Yeah, I've seen the BS about how the Rockefeller's, Ford, Harriman and Prescott Bush were doing business with Hitler. However, that doesn't translate into knowledge or condonement of the Holocaust."

Thanks. There was little time for Web work during the day, so I didn't look up any of neo-NAZI sites. ...and realized that it's very easy for anyone to do so with keywords like, "ford rockefeller jews holocaust" and so forth.

But I did find a couple of very useful sites.

German Propaganda Archive
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/

"An Apolotical Historical Website" (in other words, no neo-NAZI propaganda allowed)
http://www.adolfhitler.ws/

One thing I found immediately interesting is that after a search for the word, "hegemony" in documents of Hitler's speeches, he used the word a lot! He used it to accuse just about every country he ordered invasions against, and he did so long before Germany invaded.

Remember this when others start ranting about US "hegemony." They abuse the word (as Hitler and other despots did), because it describes a very generalized event. Ask your argument opposition for specifics to back-up their use of the word.


44 posted on 05/16/2004 10:03:37 PM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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To: wagglebee

I like Jews and Israel. If their country was invaded again I would go and fight there with them.

This is a big Whatever in todays context.

The Israelis are our middle eastern brothers in democracy.

Thats all I need to know.


45 posted on 05/16/2004 10:13:26 PM PDT by antaresequity (This is not the "War on Terror", Islam is the common denominator)
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To: wagglebee
"The CIA recruited 23 Germans who appeared to have perpetrated war crimes as agents; 100 more German spies were afforded protection by the US Army; Nazis or Nazi collaborators with high intelligence value were helped by the FBI and CIA to elude prosecutions for war-crimes. "

Findings? This has been widely know as Operation Paper Clip. How does anyone think we traveled to the moon and have wire-guided and cruise missiles, SLCBM's? We have to owe the the technology we exploited from Germany.

46 posted on 05/16/2004 11:30:07 PM PDT by endthematrix (To enter my lane you must use your turn signal!)
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To: wagglebee
Who is they? Really I do know who you mean but why? This is a story on declassified documents. Intel reports at the time.

What do you know about the complicity of the US in Iraqi affairs just prior to the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait? Did we give the green light to invade? How come we did not see the fourth largest army mobilizing towards the front?

You know it because you are smart and lived through it. Will America's younger generations know it? Would you want them too? In fifty years you might hear worse news about the behind the scene playing right now.

47 posted on 05/16/2004 11:43:00 PM PDT by endthematrix (To enter my lane you must use your turn signal!)
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To: wagglebee

Another attempt by the media to smear the US. Selectively reporting facts and omiting context. Jst the right recipe for the Pablum for the Sheeple.

Media Spin for the next .... days is America = War Crimes - coverup!


48 posted on 05/16/2004 11:59:49 PM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (A vote for JF'nK is a vote for Peace in our Time!)
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To: endthematrix

That's some pretty cool Indy Media kinda stuff, but this is much more cool.

FREEDOM ISN'T FREE!
http://www.raven1.net/

Ah, no conspiracy buff can do it like the Canadian ones can (site behind URL above), although the "chemtrail" stories are kinda cool.

...cool as a Mexican-made velvet Elvis painting. ...cool as yellow, plaid, double-knit bell bottoms. ...cool as one of those fruity, old beach party movies. ...cool as a rusty Cadillac with a vinyl, leopard-skin-look top. ...cool as a thick, light brown toupe' in the Beatles style.

It's too cool.

What do you know about Area 51? Inquiring minds behind dark glasses want to know.


49 posted on 05/17/2004 12:15:20 AM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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To: familyop
Ha! I know Mind Control games like the best of them. Funny that if you scroll down the homepage at Raven1.net you find a NAZI there being praised!! Why? It was the man who led the conspiracy to assassinate Hitler in a failed bomb plot. Missed by an inch, unfortunately.

There have been some Mind Control research from Raven1 on FR! I think silent sounds in the commercial application. Makes voices in your head via focused acoustics. It is for the Navy and non-lethal riot control.

50 posted on 05/17/2004 12:26:30 AM PDT by endthematrix (To enter my lane you must use your turn signal!)
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To: endthematrix
"We have to owe the technology we exploited from Germany."

Yes. Our government is continuing study of their physiological attributes...




...and intra-familial breeding practices.

51 posted on 05/17/2004 1:35:25 AM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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To: endthematrix

"a NAZI there being praised!! Why? It was the man who led the conspiracy to assassinate Hitler in a failed bomb plot. Missed by an inch, unfortunately. "

anti-Nazi would be a more accurate description . . . ;)


52 posted on 05/17/2004 6:28:43 AM PDT by AMDG&BVMH
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To: endthematrix

"a NAZI there being praised!! Why? It was the man who led the conspiracy to assassinate Hitler in a failed bomb plot. Missed by an inch, unfortunately. "

anti-Nazi would be a more accurate description . . . ;)


53 posted on 05/17/2004 6:29:03 AM PDT by AMDG&BVMH
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