[reagan_fanatic]

First off, Saddam was indeed a monster who delighted in the suffering and killing of others, and I certainly agree the excesses our troops engaged in was morally and ethically wrong. Happy?

But showing that his torture is worse than our torture is just plain ludicrous.

What a ridiculous statement. How does your 'moral' position allow you to equate dipping people still alive and concious into vats of acid to forcing someone to pose naked or stand on a box with fake electrodes attached to their hands?? The extremes our troops engaged in should be addressed and mechanisms put in place so that actions such as these do not happen again.

My previous post was intended to point out the vast difference between what Saddam did and what American troops did. If you could not understand my previous post, then maybe you don't get it.

[Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit]

Don't you understand that what I am trying to say is the very fact we have to compare ourselves to Saddam is the problem.

Actually I think you do understand. I object to people making the comparison in the level or degree of torture. This is irrelevant and purient. It just gives people a reason to watch and look at these real-life horror movies. And I fear that a lot of Freepers (and others) really enjoy it.

This drives me nuts because the real difference is that the Iraqi government under Saddam not just allowed or condoned such action, but actually made it part of policy. It was what was expected.

The US, on the other hand, has immediately put the perpetraitors on trial and has universally condemned their actions. This is the real point and I hate it hate it hate it when anyone tries to diminish the level of the crime these individuals committed, by saying "well Saddam was worse" as if there is any basis for comparison.

The point is and always will be that American soldiers don't do this type of thing. Not, "well Saddam was worse". By showing what Saddam did in reference to what Americans did, that is exactly what is happening and it is insulting and morally perverse.

Perhaps this helps to clarify my position.