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To: wallcrawlr

"Tom Klebold said they hope to understand someday why the shooting happened. "

My wife is a high school teacher and I can tell you all that with the general environment of no disipline in high schools today this will happen again.

Administrations generally are hampered by the current crop of parents that act like ACLU lawyers whenever their kids get into trouble and these parents seek to defend their children for any infraction of the rules. Law suits also pay a role in stopping any kind of meaningful disipline in high schools.

My wife is told regularly how to teach, disipline and conduct class by "know-it-all" parents. ( Would they tell their auto mechanic how to fix a broken transmission? )

Lastly, kids today have very little respect for schools/teachers and they don't take education seriously enough or value the process to help the parents, teachers and administrators who want to have good schools.


8 posted on 05/16/2004 8:35:45 AM PDT by BeAllYouCanBe (You are what you eat.)
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To: BeAllYouCanBe
Many schools also have a hands-off policy which exacerbates the disrespect to the teachers. I know of one incident in which an out of control child (around 8 or 9) was running around the campus and the adults were following her - not stopping her, not dragging her back to the classroom but following her because they could legally do nothing more. When they caught up to her (this is 3 adults mind you) they formed a circle of bodies around her that moved as she moved, trying to get her to cease and desist with "would you like to do this" and " how about we go do this" all the while forbidden from any physical contact.

It was so ludicrous and at the same time shows so clearly how teachers' hands are tied.

17 posted on 05/16/2004 8:51:14 AM PDT by Lizavetta (Savage is right - extreme liberalism is a mental disorder.)
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To: BeAllYouCanBe
these parents seek to defend their children for any infraction of the rules.

Yes. And it's not just in the schools. It's the whole culture of "don't tell me my child did anything wrong" mentality.

18 posted on 05/16/2004 8:52:36 AM PDT by Lijahsbubbe (John Kerry is a dingleberry)
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To: BeAllYouCanBe

Maybe it is time parents should start some law suits claiming their children are not getting the education they should because of the poor discipline situation. I think this could get some really great support from other concerned parents. For to long the majority has sat around letting the minority groups have their way. Is it time to turn the tables? Most school administrators would welcome help.


36 posted on 05/16/2004 9:36:32 AM PDT by Faith-Hope
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To: BeAllYouCanBe
"My wife is a high school teacher and I can tell you all that with the general environment of no disipline in high schools today this will happen again."

I'm a high school teacher in the inner city. Been in those trenches for the last seven years. God willing (praying like mad for this) I'll be able to transfer over the summer. I'm extremely surprised this hasn't happened at my school already. We've already had a teacher jumped and several "gun incidents." The new principal, an afro-American who was "demoted" from his administrative job was sent to this school. He promptly invited all the thugs and gang members back into school, because "Those Chirrun need their edjamacation, too!" That quote is exact for verbiage.

"Lastly, kids today have very little respect for schools/teachers and they don't take education seriously enough...."

I'm of two minds on this. For the kids who truly do NOT care, that evidence is massive. Kids who are like this and who also partake in the gangs and drugs should be sent directly to a vocational school or the military. BTW, my school is one incredibly ripe area for military recruitment, even with the war on. OTOH, there are kids in some of my American Government classes (seniors ready to graduate) who will argue with me over two points in their grade, even when it won't change the "letter grade" itself. In other words, if they got a 96 and felt they deserved a 98, they'll argue forever. But an "A" is still an "A!" So when they're bad, they're really bad and then it gets dangerous. I could tell you some stories about that! But when they're good, they're golden!"

68 posted on 05/16/2004 5:47:03 PM PDT by ExSoldier (When the going gets tough, the tough go cyclic. (R.I.P. harpseal))
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