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Knowledge of Abuse May Go Higher Yet
The Washington Post ^ | May 16, 2004 | R. Jeffrey Smith

Posted on 05/15/2004 9:41:34 PM PDT by neverdem

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To: quidnunc
Too many conservative opinion makers, from Rush Limbaugh to George Will, Bill Kristol and the rest of the gang at the Weekly Standard and some of the pundits at National Review have been undermining Bush in order to advance their own agenda.

How has Rush undermined the President?

61 posted on 05/15/2004 11:34:06 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Dane
Dane wrote: Take a chill pill. There are 5 and 1/2 months to go.

This race is being decided right now.

It will be all over by time the Olympics starts.

62 posted on 05/15/2004 11:34:54 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: Monty22
OK check this out for a different perspective. Very graphic language warning, though.
63 posted on 05/15/2004 11:34:55 PM PDT by MarMema ("Hamtramck is going to be a pioneer city for the whole United States.")
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To: quidnunc

See my post above.


64 posted on 05/15/2004 11:36:49 PM PDT by MarMema ("Hamtramck is going to be a pioneer city for the whole United States.")
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To: Ken H
Ken H wrote: How has Rush undermined the President?

Until just recently Rush has been periodically ragging on bush for selling out conserv ative principles.

A couple of years ago during a radio sweeps ratings period Rush went on a bitter two-week anti-Bush rant.

That is why there are a fair nuimber of people here on FR that no longer hold Rush in such high esteem

65 posted on 05/15/2004 11:38:51 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: neverdem
Okay, so according to the article, Army intelligence officers have a self-admitted Jihadist whom they suspect of being from Syria. They believe he has information about money, arms and foreign (Syrian) fighters coming into Iraq and murdering our troops.

Here's the "torture" they requested permission to apply: "First, the interrogators were to throw chairs and tables in the man's presence at the prison...then the police were to put a hood on his head and take him to an isolated cell through a gantlet of barking guard dogs; there, the police were to strip-search him and interrupt his sleep for three days with interrogation, barking and loud music, according to Army documents."

Oh, the humanity!

66 posted on 05/15/2004 11:39:23 PM PDT by lonevoice (Some things have to be believed to be seen)
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To: quidnunc
This race is being decided right now.

It will be all over by time the Olympics starts

I thought the same thing in 2000, but after Labor day 2000, it was a topsy turvy ride up to election day.

But no one said it is against the law to act like Chicken Little.

67 posted on 05/15/2004 11:42:56 PM PDT by Dane
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To: Dane
Dane wrote: (This race is being decided right now. It will be all over by time the Olympics starts) I thought the same thing in 2000, but after Labor day 2000, it was a topsy turvy ride up to election day. But no one said it is against the law to act like Chicken Little.

I will be happy to reasses my position if and when Bush gives me some reason to hope.

But as of now he absorbing blows like a punch-drunk fighter and is giving me nothing to hang my hat on.

I'm not going to invest a lot of emotion in a guy who has decided that maybe he doesn't really want a second term all that much.

I went through that in 1988 and I'm not going through it again.

68 posted on 05/15/2004 11:52:51 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: Mr. Mojo
Here's a quote from one of the victims there...wow!

"I was tortured under Saddam, but the torture was much more preferable to this because they didn't strip off my clothes and make me naked," he said, pointing to scars on his neck.

The full article:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&e=1&u=/ap/20040516/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_prisoner_in_the_picture

Now if Sadaam had stripped his prisoners instead of just torturing and murdering then, then maybe the press would have agreed that he was bad. Instead, Sadaam cleverly stopped short of the ultimate to avoid the scorn of the world.
69 posted on 05/15/2004 11:53:18 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: quidnunc
Until just recently Rush has been periodically ragging on bush for selling out conservative principles.

That was primarily over CFR and the EPA global warming report.

He has been rock solid in his support for Bush and Rumsfeld in the WOT. This where the Left is directing their attack. Rush, unlike some people, is not buffaloed.

That is why there are a fair nuimber of people here on FR that no longer hold Rush in such high esteem

IMO, Rush has similar levels of support here as Rumsfeld, who's polling 90% at FR.

70 posted on 05/15/2004 11:54:24 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: quidnunc
I will be happy to reasses my position if and when Bush gives me some reason to hope.

But as of now he absorbing blows like a punch-drunk fighter and is giving me nothing to hang my hat on.

I'm not going to invest a lot of emotion in a guy who has decided that maybe he doesn't really want a second term all that much

With fair weather friends like you, who needs enemies.

JMO, but Bush is fighting a two front war, one against the terrorists and the second against the media and it seems that you take the medias side.

71 posted on 05/15/2004 11:56:11 PM PDT by Dane
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To: quidnunc

If you don't want to "go through it again like you did in 88", why put us through your negative posts ? This isn't all about you.


72 posted on 05/15/2004 11:58:57 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: quidnunc
We were behind in the polls in September, 2000, and started pulling even with the debates in October when Gore showed himself to be a bully and a twerp.

We were never "ahead" by any margin that was meaningful in light of expected voter fraud.

You sound like you voted for Bush reluctantly back then and thus cannot be expected to have faith in his ability, or those he consults with.

73 posted on 05/16/2004 12:03:12 AM PDT by patriciaruth
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To: neverdem

When is this story going to stop already? They kept mentioning on SNL tonight--I don't remember one mention of Nick Berg. It's so darn typical.


74 posted on 05/16/2004 12:03:26 AM PDT by VanZant
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To: MEG33
MEG33 wrote: If you don't want to "go through it again like you did in 88", why put us through your negative posts ? This isn't all about you.

You'r a relative newcomer, so you can be pardoned for not knowing the lay of the land.

I went to the mat with the PTB here on FR defending Bush, and I left for a while as the result of the Great Schism.

So my bonafides as a Bush supporter are sound.

But, dammit, if Bush isn't going to defend himself then there's nothing we can do to help him.

I have to see some sign that he really wants to be reelected and isn't just foing through the motions like his father did.

Untoil the people in the national GOP get the idea that all isn't sweetness and light here in fly-over country then there will be no fix possible.

75 posted on 05/16/2004 12:11:26 AM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: VanZant
The media has an agenda. This story is only going to stop when the American public tunes them out totally. Then they'll start another story.

If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

The Dems are desperate for power. They all live on government sinecures and handouts. They believe any tactic or lie is good if it gets them back in power.

Thus it is going to be a bare knuckles fight to the death. However, Bush is a great poker player, and has a great sense of politics and the American people.

And many of us pray for him.

Finally, quidnunc may be down on Bush, but never underestimate the power of a boring egoist like Kerry to cut his own throat.

76 posted on 05/16/2004 12:16:01 AM PDT by patriciaruth
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To: quidnunc
But, dammit, if Bush isn't going to defend himself then there's nothing we can do to help him

So give us your omnipotent wisdom of what Bush should do. Sheesh, Rumsfeld ain't going anywhere. He gave him a big endorsement.

JMO, but you are too busy reading every damn liberal article about Bush and then scream he isn't defending himself.

Take a break away from liberal papers and other media sources for awhile, they are getting to you, IMO.

77 posted on 05/16/2004 12:16:24 AM PDT by Dane
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To: patriciaruth

So what should Bush do to stop the feeding frenzy? Is there anything he can do besides ride it out?


78 posted on 05/16/2004 12:17:41 AM PDT by VanZant
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To: quidnunc

I believe Gore won Illinois by almost 11 points in 2000...You are not in the typical Bush supporting state. What you hear around you isn't what I hear in Texas...unless you count the typical liberal rags.


79 posted on 05/16/2004 12:20:16 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: VanZant
President Bush has responded to the situation and taken corrective action. Now he will probably have the sense to shut up and stop making more news about his reaction.

The court martials are coming up soon. They'll take up a lot of air time, but what the American people will see is that justice is done, and then the story will fizzle.

The June 30th handover of sovereignty to the Iraqis is a biggy, and we'll be fighting the Battle of the Bulge there until then.

After that, it's anybody's guess about what is next, as we've never really done this before.

80 posted on 05/16/2004 12:23:39 AM PDT by patriciaruth
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