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To: elfman2
I'm more optimistic, we've learned from our mistakes. The problem is to make strategic adjustments when bullets are flying and tactical problems are overwhelming. You're right though, we have to "win" in Iraq to win anywhere else in the Middle East.

Rather than dissolution, America's best days are coming. I think you're crystal ball needs polishing.

49 posted on 05/15/2004 3:10:17 PM PDT by gandalftb
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To: gandalftb

Crystal ball, is that what he is using!


50 posted on 05/15/2004 3:17:42 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: gandalftb
"Since Viet Nam, the Marines have learned to fight smarter, they will solve the Falluja riddle. "

I couldn’t agree more. The problem is that we didn’t “let them” apply what they learned.

The 1st Mar Div was about to defeat Fallujah, setting a pattern for the rest of central Iraq. Once the Iraqi council (with different priorities than ours) swarmed Bremer, we empowered him to override what the Marines decided. We empowered him to override the lessons the Marines leaned from Vietnam. The Marines didn’t get a chance to exercise how they learned to fight smarter. They didn’t get a chance to defeat Iraq before implanting a civilian government (same as Vietnam).

There were no “overwhelming” tactical problems. The Marines were about to destroy the Fallujahn resistance will minimal civilian casualties. There were only “political” problems. We decided that we couldn’t afford another few dozen KIAs that week, and we decided that we couldn’t afford the months of disturbances it would take to reapply the Marine tactics across central Iraq. Bad decisions IMO.

I fight the tendency to sound disillusioned and spread disillusionment. We can still change. I’m just uncertain how to highlight our core problem and its consequences, without appearing to promote disaster. After all, Dickens Christmas Carol could come across as fatalistic, but it influenced Scrooge with the ghost of Christmas future. [smile]

53 posted on 05/15/2004 4:00:02 PM PDT by elfman2
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