World bank offer? Wanting to look weak again?
or just cowering for the French and Germans.
Inquiring minds want to know NOW.
and want to know WHY the State Dept calls and demans LIBERATION to an "occupation"?
Posted on 05/15/2004 3:11:06 AM PDT by snopercod
Think about it...This is not a promise, it is a warning.
Warning? Oh, you mean like stop yelling at me or I'm going to take my football and go home?
I pinged you to the old thread on this..some think the incoming government may play to the crowd and say they want us to leave, stirring up trouble for us...It is best if they have time to think about the results of playing that card...
I do not believe any of them think there will be enough security without us, especially enough security for the government officials.
State will take over many things Bremer was in charge of...The Coalition Provisional Authority under Bremer's direction will end with the turning over of sovereignty.
The military will not be under Powell...There are rebuilding contracts that also will be turned over to State, which suggested the Defense dept had more experience in procurement and wanted defense to do it in the beginning..This is what I gleaned from your link.
Did you read the link and what I said?
Okay, I think I feel better now.
Do you think it will be harder to operate in Iraq at the invitation of the new government or as accupiers?...The Iraqi government will get a lesson in strategery.
Shall I be wildly popular asking the US to leave, appealing to nationalism, or shall I accept that I do not have trained armies, security forces, would have a civil war and I would die! Then there's all the money pouring in for rebuilding.
The question is asked in Congress all the time...we answered.
This is a story about absolutely nothing.
The words are a fantasy, like speculating about what we’d do if space aliens asked us to leave. Both have an equal chance of occurring, but speaking those words might make some Iraqi’s feel a little less “occupied”.
Do you honestly believe that the administration will allow the provisional government to ask us to leave?
See also my answer above. It was a hypothetical question asked to try to challenge the turning over of sovereignty..it's a trick question "What are you going to do if they ask you to leave"...but I do think it is good for the Iraqis to think about it and realize the repercussions to them and their well being if they did ask.
Capitulation started in Fallujah, and the decision was not made by Marines .
”As Falluja goes, so goes central Iraq, as central Iraq goes, so goes the nation, " - Colonel John Coleman, chief of staff of 1st Marine Expeditionary Force (before the cease fire)”
I don't blame the Marines for wanting to go in...Let us see how many lives are lost with the decision made...If this does not work out we can still get them. Though it smarts to hear victory chants when you know what you could do to that city...What is the ultimate mission?
"Well, capitulation didn't take long after Powell was placed in charge"
Example number I don't know how many of us-I include myself here- failing to want to admit the truth.George Bush is in charge.
Why? It seems imminently sensible to me.
Keep in mind that unless they're completely insane and suicidal, the Iraqi council *won't* be stupid enough to ask us to leave. They know that we're the only thing keeping the jihadists from mounting their heads on spikes.
But it's a very smart PR move to say that if we *are* asked to leave once the Iraqis are officially running their own country, we will. This reinforces the fact that they *are* running their country and aren't just a US puppet. And it deflects accusations that the US is going to be an "eternal occupier", since it underscores that we're there because the ruling Iraqis *want* us there (if even for their own protection), not because we force ourselves upon them. That'll take a lot of steam out of the jihadists' rhetoric as well.
It also serves as a reminder to the new Iraqi rulers that unless they want us there for eternity, they need to start getting a move on and training/deploying their own homegrown security forces, so that we *can* eventually leave, someday down the road.
Does anyone think this is Spain-lite behavior? "Go on home Great Satan!"...And we meekly slink away?
Well it seems so many of my fellow FReepers missed this point but comepletely understandable I must add. A public statement..meant for all to hear...and now the fence sitters in Iraq , the INC, the council, and various groups as well as ordinary citizens are starting to panic.
Hardest thing to do is to think like an Arab and this statement was a classic.
What will President Bush do if we are asked to leave? Fire the puppet government? How will that look?
No, I am convinced that President Bush intends to pull most U.S. forces out of Iraq prior to election time regardless.
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