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When King George travels, liberties suffer
The Capital Times ^ | May 13, 2004 | John Nichols

Posted on 05/14/2004 8:20:31 AM PDT by freeeee

The King made a royal visit to Wisconsin last week, and as is common when monarchs travel, individual liberties were suspended.

King George Bush's bus trip across western Wisconsin closed schools and roads, prevented residents from moving freely in their own communities, and prevented citizens from exercising their free speech rights.

All in all, it was a typical George W. Bush visit.

But there's a slight twist.

People in western Wisconsin, who hold to the refreshingly naive notion that they live in a republic as opposed to an imperial realm, are objecting.

"There's a pattern of harassment of free speech here that really concerns me," says Guy Wolf, the student services coordinator at the University of Wisconsin-La Crosse. "If they're going to call it a presidential visit, then it should be a presidential visit - where we can hear from him and he can hear from us. But that's not what happened here, not at all."

Wolf and other La Crosse area residents who wanted to let the president know their feelings about critical issues came face to face with the reality that, when King George travels, he is not actually interested in a two-way conversation.

Along the route of the Bush bus trip from Dubuque to La Crosse, the Bush team created a "no-free-speech" zone that excluded any expressions of the dissent that is the lifeblood of democracy. In Platteville, peace activist Frank Van Den Bosch was arrested for holding up a sign that was critical of the president. The sign's "dangerous" message, "FUGW," was incomprehensible to children and, no doubt, to many adults. Yet, it was still determined sufficiently unsettling to the royal procession that Van Den Bosch was slapped with a disorderly conduct ticket.

Up the road in La Crosse, the clampdown on civil liberties was even more sweeping. Wolf and hundreds of other Wisconsinites and Minnesotans who sought to express dissents were videotaped by authorities, told they could not make noise, ordered not to display certain signs and forced to stand out of eyesight of Bush and his entourage. Again and again, they were told that if they expressed themselves in ways that were entirely protected by the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, they would be "subject to arrest."

"Everyone understood the need for basic security for the president, but none of us could understand why we had to give up our free speech rights," explained Wolf.

La Crosse Mayor John Medinger shares that concern. The Bush-Cheney campaign leased a portion of a local park where the royal rally was held. Yet, Wisconsinites who wanted to protest Bush's visit were told they could not use a sound system in a completely different section of the park.

"I want to find out why the whole park was used when only a portion was leased," Medinger told the La Crosse Tribune. "So when demonstrators were told they couldn't have (sound) systems, the question is why."

The Bush-Cheney campaign paid a $100 fee to use one part of the park, but disrupted much of the city. Medinger is now assessing the full cost of the royal visit and hopes to deliver a bill to the campaign, which State Elections Board attorney George Dunst says the Bush campaign should pay. Other communities, including Prairie du Chien, are looking at following Medinger's lead.

But the challenge should not just be a financial one. The Bush visit attacked First Amendment rights up and down the Mississippi. A lot of people are owed apologies.

In a monarchy, of course, the King never apologizes. But in a democracy, the president is supposed to be accountable to the people.

By pressing demands that the charges against Frank Van Den Bosch be dropped and that the White House and the Bush-Cheney campaign apologize for participating in an anti-democratic endeavor, residents of western Wisconsin can, and should, take up the cause of this country's founders. It is time once more to challenge a King named George.

Caption: President Bush waves to crowds from his campaign bus as he passes through Prairie du Chien last Friday. (AP Photo/Gerald Herbert)


TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections; US: Wisconsin
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To: freeeee

Even Al Bore caused traffic tie ups in our town and he wasn't even in office anymore. Just having the tied up traffic. At least "King George" mingles with the commoners (and not just for photo-ops) instead of acting like some elite jack--- like some other presidents and their colleagues.


101 posted on 05/14/2004 9:22:13 AM PDT by HungarianGypsy (I'm voting for Kerry....After I vote for Bush!!)
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To: MEG33

Canada's nice, but it gets cold.

France?


102 posted on 05/14/2004 9:22:28 AM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno World!")
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To: freeeee
Dude. Cut bait and run. This one is not worth pissing about right now. We have larger issues. Let's clear up the terrorist threat that wants to cut off all of our infidel heads, then we can get back to reigning in our federal government.

This is just the wrong damn time to be complaining that someone kicked you off the sidewalk.

103 posted on 05/14/2004 9:22:33 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: tiamat
Do you have a solution

Treat peaceful protesters and supporters the same.

And understand that dissent comes with the territory when you decide to be president of the United States, where we have unalienable rights to free speech and assembly.

In other words, honor the oath of office to uphold the Constitution instead of acting like a spoiled politico of a banana republic.

104 posted on 05/14/2004 9:22:57 AM PDT by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord)
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To: discostu

VERY cogent.


105 posted on 05/14/2004 9:23:20 AM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno World!")
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To: dirtboy
I see your point, but what would be an effective protest is not the issue here.

The issue is supporters were allowed to stay, dissenters were threatened with arrest.

And "free speech zones" have no place in this country, period.

106 posted on 05/14/2004 9:25:05 AM PDT by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord)
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To: dirtboy

Do yo have pics of you in your costume?


107 posted on 05/14/2004 9:25:46 AM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno World!")
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To: freeeee

Nice picture of the Canadian bus.

I note that many of your detractors use the ol' "everybody does it" argument. Glad to see moral relativism is alive and well here--just like the White House.


108 posted on 05/14/2004 9:25:50 AM PDT by alpowolf
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To: MEG33
Perhaps you are too unhappy in this oppressive country. Perhaps you might discover another country is freeeee-er?

Or how about I stay here and demand our government clean up its act.

If W wants to yap about freedom all the time he should walk the walk.

109 posted on 05/14/2004 9:27:12 AM PDT by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord)
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To: freeeee

You think these DemoRats are uptight now???

Just wait until we deliver Wisconsin's electoral votes come November to our current President!

Then you'll really hear some screaming!

Yes: I am a Wisconsin resident; yes, I live in La Crosse. Yes, His motorcade went right past my house, and yes, if he wants to come back once a week until the November election, it's fine by me...in fact, he has my invitation.


110 posted on 05/14/2004 9:28:53 AM PDT by Logic n' Reason (Don't piss down my back and tell me it's rainin')
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To: freeeee

Sure, but the point is that he is using evidence in a partisan fashion against President Bush that is more than equally available against the Clintons... The Secret Service do this stuff no matter who is President.


111 posted on 05/14/2004 9:29:37 AM PDT by GOPrincess
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To: KJacob
How did this become a free speech issue?

You're kidding, right?

The constitution says something about "Congress shall pass no law......" Did congress pass a law I am not aware of?The first amendment is a restriction on congress not presidential motorcades.

Excellent point. The president is ignoring the separation of powers, and holding by decree that protesters aren't allowed near his motorcade. Yet he has no power to make such legislation on his own.

And that is what makes him like a monarch.

112 posted on 05/14/2004 9:30:09 AM PDT by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord)
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To: freeeee
... the Bush team created a "no-free-speech" zone that excluded any expressions of the dissent that is the lifeblood of democracy... The sign's "dangerous" message, "FUGW,"

Ahhh, that's what makes America great. Telling the president of the US f*** you. Here I thought America was about debate and now I learn that you don't need debate as long as you can make short, stupid signs. Will someone please tear up this moron's Voter Registration? He obviously doesn't have the intellect needed to elect the leader of the free world... Actually, both the writer and the sign holder.
113 posted on 05/14/2004 9:30:36 AM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper (Hey libs, would you like some Kool-Aid to go along with your candidate's waffles?)
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To: freeeee
If W wants to yap about freedom all the time he should walk the walk

And your source is a lefty hate America journalist.

JMO, you weren't in the line where common sense was being passed out.

114 posted on 05/14/2004 9:30:46 AM PDT by Dane
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To: freeeee
Get over yourself. You aren't the courageous genius you think you are.
115 posted on 05/14/2004 9:31:20 AM PDT by dennisw (Exposing John Kerry--> Swift Boat Veterans for Truth---> http://www.swiftvets.com)
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To: Protagoras

Say each letter out loud and perhaps you'll recognize it as something you've heard on a highway or at a baseball game or something. I assume G W stands for George W.


116 posted on 05/14/2004 9:32:17 AM PDT by HostileTerritory
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To: freeeee

How long did you have to search to find this crap?


117 posted on 05/14/2004 9:32:44 AM PDT by subterfuge (Liberalism is, as liberalism does.)
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To: jimt
You'd think the fact that Komrade Klinton did it would have FReepers expecting something different from our current president.

Hypocrites, all.

I have a strong feeling they really don't care about most things they derided Clinton for. They're very opportunistic and will use free speech as a vehicle for criticism when it suits their purposes.

But their guy can do no wrong, even when he does the same exact things. Notice how angry they get when called on it. You can practically see the spittle on their computer monitors. "The Cult of Personality" explains a lot of it.

118 posted on 05/14/2004 9:34:52 AM PDT by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord)
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To: freeeee

Typical crap from the Crapital Crimes! They are the pukes who editorialized that our shot-down pilots in Nam should have been tried for piracy!


119 posted on 05/14/2004 9:35:07 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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To: dennisw

dennisw wrote:

Get over yourself. You aren't the courageous genius you think you are.




Yeah, but it's Friday afternoon and he has nothing better to do!


120 posted on 05/14/2004 9:35:26 AM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno World!")
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