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Do GenX women want all play and no work?
Newkerala ^ | 5/13/04 | IANS

Posted on 05/14/2004 6:56:16 AM PDT by qam1

London, May 13 (IANS) :

'What's mine is mine, and what's his is mine!' New research says this is the maxim of GenX women who want to be housewives who don't really work.

Young mothers are rejecting equality in the workplace and preferring the idea of becoming full-time housewives - but not ones who actually do housework.

This is the overall conclusion of research among 2,100 British adults that says women are happy to abandon the workplace but not if it means spending all day at home cooking, cleaning and looking after children.

Instead they want to play the "role" of housewife with a little help from, for instance, a nanny, and someone who does the ironing. Unlike Kylie Minogue, they don't want to do any dusting either.

The report, by Marian Salzman, chief strategic officer of Euro RSCG Worldwide, the world's fifth largest advertising agency, describes these women as princess-style "domestic divas" who effectively exploit their husbands.

"Today, 'women's lib' means wanting to be liberated from the intense pressures of the modern-day working mum," she said.

"And what we're seeing is a serious gender divide regarding women in the workplace. This time around, it is the women who want to stay at home and the men who want to keep them in the offices and factories."

Salzman, 45, who does not have children, is well known in the United States for spotting trends before they go mainstream. She predicted the rise of 1970s fashion nostalgia and, on the eve of the "Bridget Jones" phenomenon, spotted that single professional women would become the new, free-spending yuppies.

Her report last year, "the Future of Men", predicted that "metrosexuals" - straight men who care about fashion, food and grooming - would be the new target of advertisers.

She said 69 percent of women thought it perfectly acceptable for females to be housewives and not to earn a salary. In contrast, only 48 percent of men felt that women should remain outside paid employment.

Her research suggested that the motivation to spend more time at home was "self-centred" for some women. "There are many women who choose to stay home out of concern for their children's quality of life," she said. "But there are plenty of others who are paying lip service to being the 2004 version of the perfect mum.

"In reality they are domestic divas who want the flawless kids, courtesy of the nanny; a spotless home, thanks to a cleaning service; and a reputation for being a fabulously put-together homemaker.

"These are the women who are becoming a target of disdain and rage on the part of spouses who didn't expect to be shouldering the financial burden single-handedly."

She said she was not talking about mothers with very young children but those whose offspring were older and in full-time education.

Jill Kirby, the chairman of the family group at the Centre for Policy Studies think-tank, said: "It's very clear that women who have the choice between working and being at home with their children still want to prioritise their home life and life with their children."


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KEYWORDS: feminism; genx; stayathomemoms
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To: grellis

Add me to the list if you do start a stay-at-home-conservative-mom thread!


41 posted on 05/14/2004 9:26:54 AM PDT by wisconsinconservative ("The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.")
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To: thchronic

I'm not sure it's "working harder," so much as working without a break from responsibility. An office worker, or even a factory worker, gets a break. He can go to the bathroom on his own. He gets a lunch break. He can take his eye off his coworkers, and not have them all disappear outside into a mud puddle. He can take sick leave if he's sick, and go to the doctor *by himself*. If he has to go on a business trip, or just to the gas station, he's only responsible for himself.

My husband once said, "Well, I'm responsible for the guys who work for me!" and I said, "You have to take them to the bathroom? Do they have clean clothes, if you don't do their laundry? Do they eat meals that you don't fix? What if they wake up in the middle of the night ... do you have to figure out their problems and get them back to bed? Wow, and these guys are earning a salary?!"

This is not to say that I feel oppressed about my life as a homeschooling mother of seven ... I wouldn't do it, if I weren't content. Just pointing out that to me, what makes it "hard" is not teaching phonics, doing laundry, or cooking meals, but rather the *responsibility* that you never get away from.


42 posted on 05/14/2004 9:32:22 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I can see you, but you can't see me.)
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To: IDontLikeToPayTaxes
Whatever, not every woman is a lazy man hating control freak who only wants to spend your money and raise brats. You stay home with several little ones who can wreak more havoc in a minute than a tornado. You stay home without adult conversation for days on end and see if you could handle it. Most men who have to do this for a short while figure out how much work is involved in raising children, maintaining a home, cleaning up after everyone only to realize that in a few minutes it won't look like it's been cleaned in a week.

Part of the problem with this country is that we have delegated the rearing of children to others who don't share our values and we are reaping the seeds sown. The future of the country is the children and they will only be moldable for a very few short years. So either parents start raising their children again and making sure they have the right values or we continue the abdication of this most important responsibility to those whose values are diametrically opposed to ours and pay the price in future generations.

43 posted on 05/14/2004 9:36:38 AM PDT by CajunConservative
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To: TheLurkerX
bra-burning, pantsuit wearing, ultra-feminist businesswomen.

So we have a cycle of butt-ugly coming up?

44 posted on 05/14/2004 9:39:40 AM PDT by m87339 (If you could see what a drag it is to be you)
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To: Tax-chick
but rather the *responsibility* that you never get away from

I think that is where the term 'Ball and Chain' originated from...(Ducking for cover). At any rate, I think that is the hardest part about having kids, you can't find time to just sit down and relax (unless they fall asleep). If you don't watch out for them they will injure themselves, etc. If one defines work as responsibility, then one can see a woman at home with 7 kids out works most people easily.

The other side of the coin is time - If someone marries and has a kid at 20 and the woman opts to stay home then she can semi-retire at 38 when the child grows up and moves on whereas the male in that scenario will still have almost 30 yrs more work (and again, this is a generalization, sometimes they are more problems when 18 then when they are 3).

45 posted on 05/14/2004 9:40:36 AM PDT by chance33_98 (Shall a living man complain? Oh how much fewer are my sufferings than my sins;)
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To: qam1

uh oh, I ain't touching this one.


46 posted on 05/14/2004 9:40:47 AM PDT by holdmuhbeer
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To: 2banana
Sounds about like Victorian England or the America before the civil war...

Or any other time during man's 3 million year history. Upper-middle to upper-class women have never had to work.

Here's a great example: what did the mother of Mary Poppins' charges do all day while her banker husband was away at work? Remember, she had a cook, maid and governess.

47 posted on 05/14/2004 9:42:13 AM PDT by Snerfling
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To: agrarianlady
For some reason it's difficult to discover one's sense of 'self-worth' doing this.

I wish I had a simple answer for you. From your kids perspective you have the most important job in the world. Two preschoolers can be tough.

A MINE group (Mothers In Need of Entertainment) seemed to provide my wife with a necessary outlet. They went out to a restaurant or a show once a month.(Hubby can stay home with the kids)

Playgroups with the neighbors has two benefits. You get to talk to an another adult during the day and watching four is easier than entertaining two.

You might try taking your friends kids more often with the stipulation that it is a one for one trade. Being able to bring your kids over to a friends house for a Saturday evening of doing anything,everything or nothing really helps recharge the batteries.

I hope this helps.

48 posted on 05/14/2004 9:43:36 AM PDT by Joe Driscoll
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To: qam1

Read later.


49 posted on 05/14/2004 9:47:24 AM PDT by EagleMamaMT
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To: m87339; Scoutmaster
So we have a cycle of butt-ugly coming up?

That would be the "cacopygian phase."

50 posted on 05/14/2004 9:58:57 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I can see you, but you can't see me.)
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To: agrarianlady
I can really empathize with you--I felt exactly the same way for the first few years I was a mother. After having been employed for so long, I was used to having a yardstick of success--a paycheck every week. Moms don't get that. I was also totally and completely unprepared for how lonely being a stay-at-home mom can be. After the birth of my first son, the phone never, ever rang, unless it was a family member. The folks I thought were my friends did not want to have anything to do with me anymore. At the time it was totally devastating. Over the years I have come up with many ways in which I could prove to myself that I was contributing to the household. My biggest lifesaver has been the dreaded checklist. I have task lists made out a month in advance, tracking everything from the laundry to balancing the checkbook, keeping doctor's appointments, when my oldest is going on a field trip, when I need to scrub the kitchen floor, when I need to take the trash out, everything. It sounds corny and maybe a little obsessive, and I'm not in any way suggesting that it would work for every mom, but in all honesty...since I have started doing this over a year ago, I am a better cook; our house is 100% cleaner than it used to be; our financial situation has improved; I am healthier (I added 20 minutes of exercise daily into the tasks); I am happier than I thought I could have been a few years ago. Now I can get a sense of accomplishment every day, even if I don't make it through the list. The important thing is to identify exactly what it is that is making you unhappy and address the issue head-on. Be pro-active, be creative. Involve your husband. Ask other FReeping moms for advice, I do all the time! Give yourself the credit you deserve. There is no job harder than being a mom...none. Realize that the rewards are far subtler than a paycheck, but they are there. Sometimes recognizing them is the most difficult task of all. No, that's not true...what I said before is far more accurate: give yourself the credit you deserve. That is the most difficult task of all!
51 posted on 05/14/2004 9:59:08 AM PDT by grellis (Mi sento male. Ho fatto un'indigestione!)
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To: chance33_98
the woman opts to stay home then she can semi-retire at 38 when the child grows up

Yeah, that works if you don't have the next kid at 23, and the next at 26, and the next at 30, and the next at 31, etc., etc.

I think everyone would be happier if each gender recognized that the work of the other is difficult, stressful, and sometimes unrewarding ... but it has to be done, anyway. Being an adult means responsibility, one way or another.

52 posted on 05/14/2004 10:01:58 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I can see you, but you can't see me.)
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To: IDontLikeToPayTaxes

Your assertion is so wrong its just not even worth addressing.


53 posted on 05/14/2004 10:03:43 AM PDT by grellis (Mi sento male. Ho fatto un'indigestione!)
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To: Tax-chick
That would be the "cacopygian phase."

LOL!

54 posted on 05/14/2004 10:05:12 AM PDT by m87339 (If you could see what a drag it is to be you)
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To: rintense

way to go


55 posted on 05/14/2004 10:06:25 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: CajunConservative
You stay home without adult conversation for days on end and see if you could handle it.

That statement get a big ol' AAAA-MEN!!!

56 posted on 05/14/2004 10:06:48 AM PDT by grellis (Mi sento male. Ho fatto un'indigestione!)
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To: qam1
"New research says this is the maxim of GenX women who want to be housewives who don't really work."

Obviously, this author has never spent the entire day with one or two small children.

57 posted on 05/14/2004 10:08:11 AM PDT by MEGoody (Kerry - isn't that a girl's name? (Conan O'Brian))
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To: agrarianlady

Jane Austen also had several sisters-in-law die in childbirth. I don't blame her for being a spinster!

You can also recognize that you're in a phase that will pass. You will not always have nothing but preschoolers! This is the hardest part of the Mom Thing, in terms of being overworked, isolated, stifled. Your children will go to school in a few years, or if you homeschool, they will still be more independent, helpful, and interesting than they were as 4-year-olds and under.

You have my sympathy! On the occasions when all my older children go somewhere, and I'm left with just the 6-and-under group, I feel like it's almost too much just to get us all in and out of the car!

Now that schools will be out for the summer, maybe you could get a young babysitter, 12 or 13, who could be at your house while your preschoolers are taking a nap, so you could have some private time with just your baby ... take a walk, go to the library or park and sit quietly, go shopping without all the kids ...


58 posted on 05/14/2004 10:08:34 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I can see you, but you can't see me.)
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To: Snerfling

"the mother in Mary Poppins" - I believe she was a suffrage activist, from what I could gather. I skipped the movie for my kids because I didn't like the witchcraft action of Mary Poppin, but I recall thinking that the mother was in all likelyhood an upper-middle class trouble-maker....you know, send the poor women into combat, but the rich ones will still be able to get out of being on the front lines...


59 posted on 05/14/2004 10:09:24 AM PDT by elk
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To: Tax-chick
Understand that. I had my first when I was 20, my last at 35. Both do work hard. Instead of a fractured view (which I think the left likes to pit people against each other) I see it more as a family view. People who love one another working towards a common goal.

Sometimes one works harder than the other, but I think that shifts over time to average out in many cases. Kids are a job in and of themselves, but they grow out of those toddler years and the work load lessens to where they can help clean up the messes they make - on the same token one hopes that if the man stays in his field long enough he will move up from the labor to management where his physical load lessens and his mental load increases (akin to as kids grow they can be bettered managed to do their share, but their problems move around so you have to spend more mental energy helping them deal with their problems then physical cleaning up their messes.)

Hopefully, it works out for both. Keep up the good work!

60 posted on 05/14/2004 10:10:35 AM PDT by chance33_98 (Shall a living man complain? Oh how much fewer are my sufferings than my sins;)
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