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To: kattracks
"There were lots of affairs. There was all kinds of adultery and alcoholism and all kinds of crap going on," said Dave Bischel, a National Guardsman with the 870th Military Police unit, who returned home from Abu Ghraib last month.

The soldier said the X-rated liaisons at the prison were made easier by its maze-like layout and that other troops frequently turned a blind eye to what their pals were up to.

"One of the female soldiers supposedly had sex in a gang bang," said Terry Stowe, an MP from California. "From time to time, things like this would happen."

Sounds like normal everyday Army life to me. Nothing new here.

91 posted on 05/14/2004 9:06:09 AM PDT by Penner
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To: Penner

Unfortunately to some extent I think you may be right about sexual excess being 'normal everyday army life'.
Ayers Kaserne, Germany where I was stationed from roughly 3/80-10/82 ws the home of the 1st Bde, 3rd AD, plus assorted attached stuff, a maintainence BN, a Hawk Btry, and some other stuff along with the Bde HQ. The core of the brigade was 3 tank bns and 2 of mech inf, a very large bde, the largest in USAREUR I think.
The women in the bde were asigned to the support formations, HQ, commo, maintainence, perhaps 150-200 in all among thousands of men. It wasn't what you'd call a wholesome atmosphere.
The guys that worked in the Hawk Btry would complain bitterly about the women getting out of night, weekend, and holiday duty by screwing their NCOs. The Bde HQ barracks had concertina wire on the fire escapes to keep the guys out of the women's area.
Several women were busted by CID for running a whore house operation out of their room (one of the reasons for the concertina wired fire escapes).
Yelling and flashing back and forth between the buildings was common ("Show us yer t*ts! Show us yer d***s! Not big enough! Go get Mikey! He's got one this big!" Loud yells of appreciation when Mikey made his appearance with a bag on his head).
Girls that would "put out" were passed on from buddy to buddy as people got "short", not unlike the way old GI beater cars were (anyone remember the Ford Taunus?).
The consensus among the troops was that the women GIs were all sluts or dykes and the occasional "nice girl" was a hunched shouldered, shell shocked rarity, moving quickly among the guys without making eye contact.
There was a certain feeling in those days of: "We're all gonna die if the Russkies come across the line, so we might as well live it up today and sell our lives dearly tomorrow" that may have contributed to the behavior.
My CO had a framed picture of a barbed wire jock strap on his desk, the joke was that it was a combat supporter (I was in the scout platoon of the Combat Support Company consisting of a maintainence plt, Scouts, Mortars, Redeye AD, and GSR).
The other thing on his desk was a "mission statement" that said something like "Mission: Defend to retain, ie., to fight cutoff, without hope of relief, reinforcement or survival."
Anyways, that's my 20 odd year old recollections and 2 cents worth for whatever it's worth.


skepsel


96 posted on 05/14/2004 9:47:07 AM PDT by skepsel
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To: Penner

Unfortunately to some extent I think you may be right about sexual excess being 'normal everyday army life'.
Ayers Kaserne, Germany where I was stationed from roughly 3/80-10/82 ws the home of the 1st Bde, 3rd AD, plus assorted attached stuff, a maintainence BN, a Hawk Btry, and some other stuff along with the Bde HQ. The core of the brigade was 3 tank bns and 2 of mech inf, a very large bde, the largest in USAREUR I think.
The women in the bde were asigned to the support formations, HQ, commo, maintainence, perhaps 150-200 in all among thousands of men. It wasn't what you'd call a wholesome atmosphere.
The guys that worked in the Hawk Btry would complain bitterly about the women getting out of night, weekend, and holiday duty by screwing their NCOs. The Bde HQ barracks had concertina wire on the fire escapes to keep the guys out of the women's area.
Several women were busted by CID for running a whore house operation out of their room (one of the reasons for the concertina wired fire escapes).
Yelling and flashing back and forth between the buildings was common ("Show us yer t*ts! Show us yer d***s! Not big enough! Go get Mikey! He's got one this big!" Loud yells of appreciation when Mikey made his appearance with a bag on his head).
Girls that would "put out" were passed on from buddy to buddy as people got "short", not unlike the way old GI beater cars were (anyone remember the Ford Taunus?).
The consensus among the troops was that the women GIs were all sluts or dykes and the occasional "nice girl" was a hunched shouldered, shell shocked rarity, moving quickly among the guys without making eye contact.
There was a certain feeling in those days of: "We're all gonna die if the Russkies come across the line, so we might as well live it up today and sell our lives dearly tomorrow" that may have contributed to the behavior.
My CO had a framed picture of a barbed wire jock strap on his desk, the joke was that it was a combat supporter (I was in the scout platoon of the Combat Support Company consisting of a maintainence plt, Scouts, Mortars, Redeye AD, and GSR).
The other thing on his desk was a "mission statement" that said something like "Mission: Defend to retain, ie., to fight cutoff, without hope of relief, reinforcement or survival."
Anyways, that's my 20 odd year old recollections and 2 cents worth for whatever it's worth.


skepsel


97 posted on 05/14/2004 9:47:07 AM PDT by skepsel
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