Here, try this on yourself:
truthseeking Since May 6, 2004
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Posted on 05/13/2004 11:08:04 AM PDT by kissmyconservativebutt
WASHINGTON — U.S. intelligence officials have concluded that terrorist leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi (search) was the person shown on a video beheading an American civilian in Iraq, based on an analysis of the voice on the video, a CIA (search) official said Thursday.
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Here, try this on yourself:
truthseeking Since May 6, 2004
tROLL on.
ROFLMAO...stop it man, you are killing me! No, please, no more!
This part I agree with, but we never won the war in Iraq.
Of course we did. We achieved our primary and singular military objective, which was to remove Saddam Hussein and his henchmen from power by force of arms. That was done. The victory was and is ours. Right now we are engaged in a war against terrorists, most of which are not Iraqis, but imports from Saudi Arabia, Syria, etc. We are now fighting the war on terrorism in Iraq just as we are engaged in that war here in the US.
By your logic we never won the war in Germany, since we still have troops there. The fact is that we won the War with Germany on VE Day in 1945 when Hitler and his henchment were removed from power by force of arms. Any fighting which took place after that was merely clean up. And that clean up lasted for decades. Any fighting taking place right now in Iraq is merely clean up. It is dangerous work, but the victory was acheived over 1 year ago. Now the only question is whether we leave Iraq in a shambles or whether we continue our efforts to help them form a new government.
We removed the upper henchmen. Who do you think Al Sadr's forces are? You think they are all foreign? Think again, and really hard. And this has been the biggest thorn since we 'won'. There will be more if we continue to fight this way.
By your logic we never won the war in Germany, since we still have troops there. The fact is that we won the War with Germany on VE Day in 1945 when Hitler and his henchment were removed from power by force of arms. Any fighting which took place after that was merely clean up.
Look man, go back to the history books. I have covered this with who knows how many others on FR. We leveled almost every single German city and killed millions of civilians. That is why we didn't have a problem with the populace later. We have done nothing of the sort in Iraq.
If you think we won, fine.
I am not a doom sayer and think that we can win this. But with our present path, Iraq will be a problem for years to come. Not the rebuilding, the people. Had we done to Iraq what we did to Germany, there would not have been an Al Sadr. There would not have been a prison 'abuse' scandal. And we would not have to worry about terrorists flocking there, because they would have collectively s#!t thier pants and stayed out.
Tell that to Nick Berg. Tell that to his family. You used the word victory. Do you want me to break out a dictionary? After a 'victory' your enemy doesn't even squek.
Then using your definition, the North didn't win the Civil War. The US didn't win the Spanish American War. The allies did not win WWI....
Frankly under your definition, I can't think of many wars that have resulted in "victory." The Hebrew "victory" over the Amelekites is about the only one that comes to mind.
The observation is about the war on terror. Who won?
So far there have been 2 campaigns that continue to be fought.
We were easily victorious with out overwhelming precision attack and land/sea/air superiority in the high intensity phase of both campaigns.
There has been an onset phase that ranges from low intensity down to clandestine warfare. In terms of force of arms, we always win any battle and any engagement.
The most effective killing means of the enemy has been a booby-trap trickery.
Except for the American media highlighting what are extremely minimal casualties, this is going reasonably well.
What would I have done differently. I would have gone immediately to the Iranian and Syrian campaigns and left the Iraqis, Iranians, and Syrians to rebuild themselves. If anyone came to power that I didn't like, I'd come kill them, too.
Eventually, they'd put in someone I like.
Then, there'd be happy faces all around.
Oh brother. Gen Sherman burned a path 60 miles wide to Savannah, GA. How much fighting occured after that?
As for the other two, did we completely annihilate the enemy? No. So my definition stands.
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