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1 posted on 05/12/2004 10:12:00 AM PDT by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc
How TROPical (TM) of him
2 posted on 05/12/2004 10:17:48 AM PDT by The G Man (John Kerry? America just can't afford a 9/10 President in a 9/11 world. Vote Bush-Cheney '04.)
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To: quidnunc
"[I]f a US city is nuked, the US will have to nuke someone, or let it stand that the United States can lose a city without cost to the other side. Defining “the other side” would be difficult, of course – do you erase Tehran to punish the mullahs? Make a crater out of Riyahd? "

It's obvious, if a US city is nuked Mecca and Medina become dust. 48 hours to evacuate, then, Kablooey.
3 posted on 05/12/2004 10:18:49 AM PDT by jocon307 (The dems don't get it, the American people do.)
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To: quidnunc
Outstanding, if sobering.

Money Quotes:

The West doesn’t have the power to change Islam; it only has the power to destroy it. .... We could just take out a few troublesome nations, kill millions, and irradiate Mecca so that the Fifth Pillar is invalidated. .... Every pilgrim a martyr. I don’t think we’ll do either; God help us if we do, but inasmuch as we have the capability, it’s an option.

Strong horse, weak horse.

There is another path, of course. Simply put: if a US city is nuked, the US will have to nuke someone, or let it stand that the United States can lose a city without cost to the other side. Defining “the other side” would be difficult, of course – do you erase Tehran to punish the mullahs? Make a crater out of Riyahd? These are exactly the sort of decisions we never want to make. But let’s say it happens. Baltimore: fire and wind. Gone. That horrible day would clarify things once and for all. It’s one thing for someone in a distant city to cheer the fall of two skyscrapers: from a distance, it looks like a bloody nose. But erasing a city is a different matter.

Everyone will have to choose sides. That would be one possible beginning of the end of this war.

A minimal-casualty defeat of the Islamists will require the help of Islam. I'd like to think that will happen on its own, without some exterior catastrophe to force the issue. For that matter I'd like to think I'll win the Powerball. Every time the jackpot goes over 200 million, I buy a ticket. Every time I lose. I'm always disappointed, of course. But never surprised.

5 posted on 05/12/2004 10:25:44 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: quidnunc
The silence from the Muslim world about this latest atrocity committed in the name of Islam is about as deafening as the silence heard from Muslims on September 12, 2001. How any devout followers of ostensibly a religion of peace could see this and not react with condemnation is beyond my comprehension.

Imagine if terrorists committed such a heinous act and did it in the name of the Pope or Judaism? Wouldn't the followers of those religions rise up and say in no uncertain terms that those individuals did not act in their name or on behalf of their belief? But what do we hear from the Muslim world --silence.

6 posted on 05/12/2004 10:30:04 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: quidnunc
I was pretty disappointed with Hugh.  

I admit, I kept turning off the radio during the Abi's (the Somali Muslims) call because he could only answer "Yes, however...." and I'm f*&^ing sick of "Yes, however..." a$$holes.  

So because I kept turning off the radio I don't know if Hugh asked the one question that was begging to be asked: the elephant in the room - and I don't think he did -"WHY ARE YOU HERE?"

If Islamic leadership is sooooo great, and the USA is soooooo evil, why was Abi in Minnesota?

Why didn't he move back to his Somali paradise?

I'm giving Hugh the benefit of the doubt and assuming he didn't ask the question because it would have ended the conversation.

8 posted on 05/12/2004 10:37:27 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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In 1945 we had the will and clarity to end a war.

It looks like today, we'd rather be popular, than to kill our enemies.
9 posted on 05/12/2004 10:39:20 AM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: quidnunc
Bump! Because everyone should read this and take to heart the frightening clarity Lileks provides.
11 posted on 05/12/2004 10:53:56 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: quidnunc
Interesting....I had commmented something similar the other night on this thread. The finale of which was ...
2. Thousands of terrorists, in multiple terror groups (Al Qaeda, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, etc.), sponsored in one form or another by over a dozen nations, bomb and kill innocent people over and over again and the world yawns, no condemnations are forthcoming from any Muslim official.
There truly is very limited rejection of this type of barbarism.

Unfortunately, we are fighting by a set of rules. War is hell, as the saying goes. We need to take the gloves off and get our hands dirty. If beating up some terrorists gets the information we need to smoke these f*ckers out, then do it. If parading them around in women's underwear does the trick, fine.

I DON'T CARE ANYMORE!

Get the info. Find the terrorists and kill them. Don't talk to them, don't imprison them, don't give them 3 squares and a pack a cigs...KILL THEM! PERIOD!

I can think of no other description than the one that Rush uses "Human Debris". They need to be wiped from the face of this Earth.

14 posted on 05/12/2004 11:26:21 AM PDT by mattdono (Big Arnie: "Crush the democrats, drive them before you, and hear the lamentations of the scumbags.")
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To: quidnunc
read later - TROP
18 posted on 05/12/2004 12:29:39 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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