Posted on 05/12/2004 9:16:13 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator
The ancient hatred, the hatred everyone thought was gone forever, is back with a vengeance. And many among `Am Yisra'el are utterly at a loss to explain it. This wasn't supposed to happen. We've had the "enlightenment." The "Age of Reason." The French Revolution. Separation of church and state. Democracy. Brotherhood Week. If I had a Hammer. Tolerance. Pluralism. Multiculturalism. Detente. I'm OK you're OK. All religions are equal. All points of view are equally valid. One god is as good as another (Thomas Jefferson said so!). Holocaust museums. Education. Even a "Hebrew-speaking Portugal" in the Holy Land complete with a Hellenistic, western-style multiparty parliamentary democracy that guarantees "gay rights" and cherishes the quaint, "indigenous" anti-Semites who've been squatting there for the past few centuries.
Wasn't that supposed to solve everything? What went wrong?
(Excerpt) Read more at redneck_rastafarian.tripod.com ...
This is my own work, so it's pretty provocative. Also, it's on Tripod so there's lots of pop-ups and other distractions. Sorry about that.
No he didn't! And as an admirer of Jefferson I am offended by this assertion. Yes, I know he wrote: "Whether my neighbor believes in no God or twenty, it neither robs my purse nor breaks my leg". But this statement, in no way, implies a moral relativism.
Thank you for your kind words.
It comes from the writings of Rabbi Me'ir Kahana' (zt"l, Hy"d), who used to lambast "secular Zionists" for thinking that a secular Hebrew-speaking Jewish ethnic state in the ancient Homeland was all that was needed.
It doesn't matter. The whole point of morality is submission to the One True G-d, and any morality--however absolute it may be--that ignores Him is missing the point entirely.
As for Mr. Jefferson, I must confess to not being the number one fan of the Bible-lacerating old Jacobin.
You're right, it IS pretty provocative.
It's also right.
The only part we disagree on is that Christianity is a false religon. we worship the same god, we just believe the Messiah has already come the first time.
But as you say, we'll just have to agree to disagree on that.
As for Mr. Jefferson, I must confess to not being the number one fan of the Bible-lacerating old Jacobin.
You Sir, are intellectually dishonest. You refer to Jefferson, out of context, then you admit that you harbor a secret contempt for his religious views. As far as this reader is concerned, your point is lost due to your deceit (or lack of scholarship).
and any morality...that ignores Him is missing the point entirely.
It is you who has missed the point entirely. Whoever "Him" is, "Him" is most certainly truth.
And yes, I have a Jefferson Bible, as well as other Bibles (and I've read them). I don't find Jefferson's comments on Christ to be contradictory to the message of the Gospels.
"Him" is HaShem. There is no such thing as abstract "truth" apart from the G-d Who created all things in Six Days.
And yes, I have a Jefferson Bible, as well as other Bibles (and I've read them). I don't find Jefferson's comments on Christ to be contradictory to the message of the Gospels.
Mr. Jefferson's contempt for the G-d and religion of the ancient Hebrews is unfortunately not as well known as is Jewish political enhusiasm for him because of his "tolerant" views (Mark Twain is another Jewish "hero" who hated ancient Judaism). At any rate, the gospels teach a humanistic philosophy that ridicules Torah Law and implies a "religion of pure ethics" which is what has gotten us all into our current predicament. It is a shame that Fundamentalist Protestants are so accustomed to reading the Gospels through the prism of Paul's theology that they cannot see the skepticism and irreverence that "Chr*st" manifested continually.
Jefferson accepted Chr*st as an ethical teacher only and rejected the miracles. Ehics without G-d is nothing but secular humanism.
You have all the despicable talents of Karl Marx. Including a penchant for being totalitarian. You either need to get a grip, get a life, or get committed.
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