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Overdosing on Islam
The NY Times ^ | May 12, 2004 | NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF

Posted on 05/12/2004 3:14:47 AM PDT by F14 Pilot

QOM, Iran — In the offices of an ayatollah here, I was jokingly introduced as coming from the Great Satan.

"Humph," a young man responded immediately. "America is only Baby Satan. We have Big Satan right here at home."

Turbans to the left, turbans to the right — Qom is the religious center of Iran, but even here, there is anger and disquiet. One of the central questions for the Middle East is whether Iran's hard-line Islamic regime will survive. I'm betting it won't.

"Either officials change their methods and give freedom to the people, and stop interfering in elections, or the people will rise up with another revolution," Grand Ayatollah Hossein Ali Montazeri told me.

"There is no freedom," added Ayatollah Montazeri, who is among the senior figures in the Shiite world but is excluded from power in Iran because of his reformist ideas. "Repression is carried out in the name of Islam, and that turns people off. . . . All these court summonses, newspaper closings and prosecutions of dissidents are wrong. These are the same things that were done under the shah and are now being repeated. And now they are done in the name of Islam and therefore alienate people."

Whoa! Ayatollah Montazeri was a leader of the Islamic Revolution, and was initially designated by his close friend Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini to be his successor as supreme leader of Iran. Everything he says carries immense credibility, for he is a more senior religious figure than any of Iran's present leaders. (I've posted comments by Ayatollah Montazeri, along with a video of the interview, at www.nytimes.com/kristofresponds, Posting 389.)

Another Shiite leader outside the club of power, Ayatollah Jalaledin Taheri, has denounced the regime as "society's dregs and fascists who consist of a concoction of ignorance and madness. . . . [and] those who are convinced that yogurt is black."

So the Islamic Republic is increasingly vulnerable to the most devastating accusation of all: that it is un-Islamic and is alienating its youth from Islam. The mullahs have even made beards unpopular.

"I'm sorry — I've been too busy to shave recently," said Ashkan Almasi, a musician, mortified at having a faint beard and not wanting me to get the wrong idea about his politics. "In contrast to what [leading Islamic philosophers] say, this regime is the very opposite of Islamic government," Mr. Almasi said. "It has made Islam unpopular."

On the 1,100-mile round trip between Tehran and Shiraz in the south, I did meet some staunch supporters of the regime. But my experience at a teahouse in a small town was more typical. With a small crowd around me, I asked people what they thought of the government.

"How can you have hope for life any more?" said Abdullah Erfani, a plumber, adding, "If there were a free vote, 99 percent would oppose this system, and only the 1 percent within the system would support it."

A 20-year-old, Hadi Zareai, working hard to look cool in his leather jacket, said: "There will be a Judgment Day, and all of us will meet up. Then I'm going to find those who launched the Islamic Revolution and go after them."

In much of the world, young Muslims are increasingly religious, but compulsive Islam has soured some Iranians on religion. Fewer people go to Friday prayers, and Western-style clothes are the hottest fashion.

One young woman I met, Elaheh Falakmasir, is religious and inclined to support the regime. But smoke was almost pouring from her ears because she and a couple of friends had been kicked out of an exhibition a few hours earlier for being floozies: one wore a red vest over her black overcoat, and Ms. Falakmasir herself wore a silver nose stud.

"I like it," she said hotly. "It's beautiful. God likes it. But they complained." And so the regime alienated three more constituents who want to be good Muslims — but also want to live in a modern world.

There's a useful lesson here for George Bush's America as well as for the ayatollahs' Iran: when a religion is imposed on people, when a government tries too ostentatiously to put itself "under God," the effect is often not to prop up religious faith but to undermine it. Nothing is more lethal to religious faith than having self-righteous, intolerant politicians (who wince at nose studs) drag God into politics.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; US: New York; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bush; democracy; freedom; govt; iran; islam; khomeini; muslim; proamerican; region; students; w; war
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To: F14 Pilot
Kristoff does some very nice reporting here - and some very idiotic commentary at the end. Perhaps his one good column for the year?
21 posted on 05/12/2004 4:43:39 AM PDT by Paul_B
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To: F14 Pilot
"America is only Baby Satan. We have Big Satan right here at home."

LOL!
22 posted on 05/12/2004 4:47:20 AM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ...( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: ovrtaxt
Agreed!
23 posted on 05/12/2004 5:23:41 AM PDT by F14 Pilot (John ''Fedayeen" sKerry - the Mullahs' regime candidate)
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To: Bahbah
Hey, we could get rid of Islam completely in 25 years... just let the Islamic world have Islamic government in the meantime!
24 posted on 05/12/2004 5:30:20 AM PDT by thoughtomator (This comment was witty and interesting up until the moment I hit "Post")
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To: thoughtomator
LOL, that's a very good thought, omator.
25 posted on 05/12/2004 5:31:41 AM PDT by Bahbah
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To: Paul_B
"Kristoff does some very nice reporting here - and some very idiotic commentary at the end. Perhaps his one good column for the year?"

No. He's pretty much a left-wing idiot. I've never read even one of his columns that was truly worth reading. Kristoff replaced the NYT's Anthony Lewis (who's "At Home Abroad" column was simply a piece of crap) about two years ago. I'd say that Kristoff is even worse than Lewis.
26 posted on 05/12/2004 5:45:19 AM PDT by Poundstone
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To: Poundstone
I don't disagree, based on what I've read by Kristoff, but this column was refreshingly good for him until he added tried to apply the situation in Iran to the situation here. Islamic culture in many ways is the mirror image of the West, and very generally what's bad there is good here and vice versa - a distinction the brain-dead post-modernists fail to make.
27 posted on 05/12/2004 5:52:24 AM PDT by Paul_B
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To: F14 Pilot
"This regime is the very opposite of Islamic government."

Think again, Ashkan.

28 posted on 05/12/2004 6:04:15 AM PDT by Savage Beast (My parents, grandparents, and greatgrandparents were all Democrats. My children are Republicans.)
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To: F14 Pilot
"We had reports here and there that people of Iran, mostly youth generation, are converting to Christianity or Zoroastrianism."

That, of course, is what Iran needs--a powerful, sweeping religious counter-revolution. Anything would be better than what they've got now.

29 posted on 05/12/2004 6:09:55 AM PDT by Savage Beast (My parents, grandparents, and greatgrandparents were all Democrats. My children are Republicans.)
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To: Savage Beast; RaceBannon
This website also helps you know more about Iran.
It is made by our freeper friend, Racebannon

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30 posted on 05/12/2004 6:15:45 AM PDT by F14 Pilot (John ''Fedayeen" sKerry - the Mullahs' regime candidate)
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To: Savage Beast
This is my take on what that guy, Ashkan, said above.

Islamic form of government is not good for sure and it is a theocratic thing but to some people there in the Middle East, real Islam is different with what their governments offer now.
I think, he meant that Islamic Regime of Iran is far away from real Islam.
31 posted on 05/12/2004 6:19:26 AM PDT by F14 Pilot (John ''Fedayeen" sKerry - the Mullahs' regime candidate)
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To: F14 Pilot
Taken in this context, "real Islam" is not Islam at all but some other religion--perhaps Christianity.

The Islamic regime of Iran is Islam. The goal of Islam is the establishment of a world-wide theocracy with the Koran as the only constitution and the shariah as international law, i.e. the Islamic regime of Iran on a global level.

32 posted on 05/12/2004 6:31:15 AM PDT by Savage Beast (My parents, grandparents, and greatgrandparents were all Democrats. My children are Republicans.)
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To: Savage Beast
I was talking about the Middle East and how they believe.
33 posted on 05/12/2004 6:45:25 AM PDT by F14 Pilot (John ''Fedayeen" sKerry - the Mullahs' regime candidate)
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To: ovrtaxt
The author is a jerk. But even jerks can be right sometimes.
34 posted on 05/12/2004 8:00:47 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: F14 Pilot
Iran is starting to resemble Cuba. We keep hearing "pretty soon" and all we get is status quo.
36 posted on 05/12/2004 8:47:22 AM PDT by ThanhPhero (Ong lam hanh huong di La Vang)
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To: ThanhPhero
You're right - in fact it may take 5 years or more, but it'll eventually happen - no one knows how or when but it will.

No one is doubting the will part, but the when part is the question.

And it better be before the Mullahs get a hold of the nukes - otherwise they're there to stay.
37 posted on 05/12/2004 8:14:04 PM PDT by freedom44
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