[dwilli]

If we aren't willing to kill these people and a few of their closest friends and neighbors, the time to leave
Iraq is today.

[hershey]

true, but you know we can't leave. The barbarians are at the gates. We have to defend the US and defeat them abroad where they operate with impunity. The Middle East is the battle ground of choice. Even Kerry understands this, but lacks the stomach for it. He'd act like Clinton, with predicatable consequences.