"Shocking and awful" (recalls when Churchill became "fed up" with Iraq occupation)

US News ^ | 5/17/04 | Kevin Whitelaw

[churchillbuff]

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[CWOJackson]

"There will be no war in our time."

Poor Winston, being used like this.

[Southack]

That's such rubbish.

25 million people in Iraq are right now going about their daily lives normally, peacefully. Fewer than 4,000 in that country are still resorting to violent means against us.

Try to graph 4,000 versus 25 million in a little pie chart.

In our worst month there, we lost 130 Americans. Over here in the U.S., we lose more than 3,000 per month killed on our highways. Does 3,000 killed per month mean that the U.S. is doomed?!

Iraqi electricity is served to more people today than back before our war. Iraqi hospitals are better staffed and equipped today than before the war. More schools for Iraqi children are open today than before the war. Even Iraq's oil exports today exceed their pre-war levels.

Yet knee-jerk-reaction liberals are quick to claim that Iraq is "hopeless" and "doomed" as if 1979 Iranian anti-Shah levels of unrest were present in neighboring Iraq.

Calmer heads and more rational adults, however, clearly see through such nonsense.

[Stentor]

ZZZZZZZZZ.

[churchillbuff]

I'm all for a REAL war on Terror. That would mean:

1. FINISH THE JOB IN AFGHANISTAN - - get Bin Laden and his cronies. THEY'RE the 9-11 culprits, damnit! 2. CLOSE OUR BORDERS TO ILLEGALS!

Unfortunately, Bush hasn't done #1, and he's doing the opposite on #2 - - he's talking about amnesty plans that merely lure more illegals here.

[CWOJackson]

"I'm all for a REAL war on Terror."

Wow, a sudden conversion?

No you're not...and as I said, it's a shame poor Winston has to have his honorable named sullied by you.

[CWOJackson]

He can't help himself...it's in his contract.

[tbpiper]

1. FINISH THE JOB IN AFGHANISTAN - - get Bin Laden and his cronies.

You've got the armchair, now you got a plan to go with it?

[CWOJackson]

Careful. I believe he/she/it is a graduate of France's War College; he will either try to surrender to you or bore you to death.

[BlueAngel]

Thanks. I always enjoy reading your commonsense posts.

[DoctorMichael]

Coincidentally, a month or so ago I pulled THE RISE AND FALL OF THE BRITISH EMPIRE by Lawrence James from my bookshelf and reread those chapters that tangentially dealt with this subject. I was seeking knowledge from historical fact. I closed the book depressed.

There's no doubt, Iraq has been an unruly country in the past. It remains that way now. However, that unruliness in a larger world was much easier to retreat from. Today, with the world a MUCH smaller place, and the ability of the Middle Eastern Cavemen to export their ignorance and brutality to all the corners of the Earth, there is no retreat.

I just pray we have the stomach to do what must be done to drag these Neaderthals into the 21st Century. And those that wish remain should be eliminated. Otherwise, the only other solution is to put a fence around the place to keep them in.

[bilhosty]

Oh I think there are more than 4,000 going against us. I also think as time goes on there will be more against us. And after that we have the whole Arab street to contend with. We have done much in Iraq, we have liberated te people most of whom are glad we came and most will be glad to see us gone. We have eliminated weapons laboratories that would be eventually used to make wmd. I am sure we will find in the near future what happened to the WMD's. We have shown the Arab world that we do take seriously WMD's in there part of the world and they surely know now what would happen to them if they were used against us by terrorists. WE have caused khadfy to even act sane. Thanks to same Libyan nut we have uncovered Dr kahn as the chief proliferator to rogue nations. We have scared Saudi Arabia into cooperating more fully. Any way you want to look at it, it is quite a victory. But, can we actually turn this brutal society into a democratic people absolutely not. Time to really look at the cost of continually staying and unless it looks different to them then it looks too me. Time to get out and call it a win as it is. We will prove to the nutcases that we cannot be pulled into a mess and stay locked in. best wishes all, Bill

[Southack]

I see no reason to run from a few thousand poorly trained amatuers with RPG's and AK-47's.

Too many Europeans have your attitude, though. Pity Spain. It was once a great power.

[crusty codger]

Disjointed though your post was I sort of agree with you. But we cannot falter, we cannot evade, We Must Endure.

[jolie560]

Winston Churchill's comments are from Eight decades ago.

The same Muslim behavior prevails today. Today, Muslims live in countries all around the world. Islam requires Muslims to strike out against 'kafirs' (non-believers) wherever they find them.

Be careful, y'all--the Islamic mandates have not changed in the 80 years since Churchill wrote that. No PC philosophy can change that mandate. Islam is committed to killing us.

[gogipper]

Ooooohh, the Arab street. What nonsense. How much have you heard from Sadr lately?

[cwb]

"America, it turns out, is not very good at occupation."

Yeah...a shame that we just don't have as much experience as our European brethren.

[bilhosty]

We would not be running. We have already won and done what we set out to do. They are a tribal revenge society and our retaliation against the town that killed and hacked apart those contractors was more then enough. But, there is nothing too gain from staying. They cannot be dragged into the 21st century against their will, that is what the late Shah of Iran tried to do. We have done what we needed to do and there is no reason to stay. The Arabs are a passionate people who are good at propaganda and nothing else. By,staying for no good reason at all we can only inflame passions further and prove that we can get drawn into unnecessary conflict for no good reason at all. When we are out some of those passions will undoubtedly drain.

[Trust but Verify]

You and Bill Clinton are singing the same tune. What fine comapny you keep. Congratulations!