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While I agree that the terrs who murdered Berg are the absolute lowest that human genes can produce, Phil, that STILL doesn't excuse the guards or their officers for their actions. As I have been saying all along, we are better than they.

Once again, the prisoners at the jail were in posession of NO vital intelligence; wondering "what if?" is just an exercise in hypotheticals.

Once again, this was NOT the reason that the guards violated their orders or Geneva.

They did so for their own sick amusement, much as the Dims did by exploiting the scandal in the medias.

Pukin' Dog wrote an excellent essay here...I see you just HAD to bring your flamewar to it, even after I asked you not to post to me, TWICE. I'm now telling you a third time, DO NOT POST TO ME. You and I have nothing further to discuss.

Even he does not condone the torture of prisoners. See, he's an HONORABLE Officer.

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Once again, the prisoners at the jail were in posession of NO vital intelligence;
And how in the world do you know that?!
Were you there? Did you interrogate them yourself? Are you privvy to the interrogation reports?
Could they have withheld information if they had any? Yes, they could've.
Pukin' Dog wrote an excellent essay here...
And? I've no problem with his essay.
Even he does not condone the torture of prisoners. See, he's an HONORABLE Officer.
And what, I'm somehow DISHONORABLE? Where did I "condone" the torture of prisoners? I took issue with your liberal views of assigning shame to those who carry no shame.
Have you forgotten what I initially posted in your desire to picture me as a worthless somebody because I pointed out that you were wrong in trying to convince everyone that we all carry the shame of the actions of a few?
Let's look at that again, shall we?
We blame those who DID IT, and we also realize that all of us will have to carry a portion of the shame, possibly for a long time to come.
I've little pity or respect for those acting or those acted upon. However, your "group shame" you can keep to yourself. I've no shame as the actions were not my own. Everyone accountable for their own actions.
You're playing a very liberal game with the manure you're pushing there!