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Once again, the prisoners at the jail were in posession of NO vital intelligence;
And how in the world do you know that?!
Were you there? Did you interrogate them yourself? Are you privvy to the interrogation reports?
Could they have withheld information if they had any? Yes, they could've.
Pukin' Dog wrote an excellent essay here...
And? I've no problem with his essay.
Even he does not condone the torture of prisoners. See, he's an HONORABLE Officer.
And what, I'm somehow DISHONORABLE? Where did I "condone" the torture of prisoners? I took issue with your liberal views of assigning shame to those who carry no shame.
Have you forgotten what I initially posted in your desire to picture me as a worthless somebody because I pointed out that you were wrong in trying to convince everyone that we all carry the shame of the actions of a few?
Let's look at that again, shall we?
We blame those who DID IT, and we also realize that all of us will have to carry a portion of the shame, possibly for a long time to come.
I've little pity or respect for those acting or those acted upon. However, your "group shame" you can keep to yourself. I've no shame as the actions were not my own. Everyone accountable for their own actions.
You're playing a very liberal game with the manure you're pushing there!

You're confusing "condoning" with "disagreement". I simply don't consider what was seen in those pictures as being torture, whereas you do.
Our real disagreement is that what I saw was simply humiliation whereas you see it as torture.
Watch the Berg video if you want to see true torture!

Since you seem to be unable to take a hint, strong suggestion, or even an unequivocal statement, I have hit the abuse button. I'm not letting you hijack this thread for your games.

And, since you so love quoting yourself, I'll post a link to the post that got you SOOOOOoo upset that you've followed me around for days whining about it.

A post which, BTW, I still stand by. The torture was not a matter of opinion; it was confirmed by the Pentagon itself, as was the lack of ANY intelligence gained through its use.