Abu Ghraib: To Hell with Apologies

Men's News Daily ^ | 10 May 2004 | Nicholas Stix

[dennisw]

Stellar take!! My thoughts are the same.

[mrustow]

What if the embarassing technique made one terrorist talk and saved one soldier from one bomb? And not even a fingernail pulled!

From what I've heard, the most effective technique used in Iraq so far, was that employed by a Lt. Col. who knew that his men had been targeted for a terrorist attack about to take place, and who had a terrorist in custody. The terrorist wouldn't talk, until the chicken colonel pushed the prisoner's head down in the sand, and fired his gun into the sand, inches away. Then the prisoner was most cooperative, and "shared" information that saved GIs' lives. Of course, the colonel was arrested.

[HAL9000]

All I have to say to President Bush is, You're a better man than I am, Gunga Din.

I agree.

[mrustow]

The title of this article echoes my sentiments to a "T".

You'd never know from the treasonous media, but I think most Americans feel the same way. The other night on Nightline, lefty Chris Bury -- who was doing his best to bury Rumsfeld, cited a poll that showed 69% of respondents supporting Rumsfeld, and only 20% calling for him to go, in spite of the all-out media attack on the man.

[dennisw]

I say the Democrats have overplayed their hand by bombarding Americans with this prison abuse (torture? no way!) topic. That many Americans are turned off by it due to a wariness of Muslims and knowledge of how down and dirty Iraqi terrorists (don't you dare call them resistance in my presence!) have been fighting. Not to mention the burning and desecration in Fallujah of four American contractors.

[Grampa Dave]

The writer needs to do his research a little deeper and better.

This story was first published by the NY Slimes on 17 Jan 2004, Hersch just spun it and made it into one of his fables/myths/lies.

This story was published by the NY Slimes on 17 Jan 2004.

It was ignored by the Rat Pack Senators until they felt they could remove Rummy and hurt GW.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1131946/posts

Inquiry Ordered Into Reports of Prisoner Abuse [January 17, 2004 NYT Article]
New York Times ^ | January 17, 2004 | ERIC SCHMITT


Posted on 05/08/2004 9:59:57 AM PDT by risk

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January 17, 2004

Inquiry Ordered Into Reports of Prisoner Abuse
By ERIC SCHMITT

ASHINGTON, Jan. 16 — The top American commander in Iraq has ordered a criminal investigation into allegations that detainees at the sprawling Abu Ghraib prison outside Baghdad have been abused by American forces, military officials said Friday.

A statement by the military command in Baghdad gave no details about the scope or severity of the incidents, saying only that Lt. Gen. Ricardo S. Sanchez, the senior American officer in Iraq, had directed an inquiry into the latest in a string of reported abuses of prisoners.

"The release of specific information concerning the incidents could hinder the investigation, which is in its early stages," the statement said.

A senior Pentagon official said authorities had been alerted to the possible abuse of detainees in the past few days and were taking the allegations "very seriously."

The American-led occupation is holding thousands of suspected insurgents and criminals at Abu Ghraib, a large prison west of Baghdad that was notorious during the rule of Saddam Hussein for overcrowded cells and torture chambers.


The inquiry ordered by General Sanchez is expected to add fuel to allegations by Amnesty International and many former detainees that the American captors have treated prisoners harshly or abused them in certain cases.

Earlier this month, three Army reservists were discharged for abusing prisoners at Camp Bucca, a detention center near Basra, in southern Iraq. In late December, Brig. Gen. Ennis Whitehead III determined that the three soldiers had kicked and punched prisoners or encouraged others to do so.

Late last year, Lt. Col. Allen B. West, a battalion commander in the Fourth Infantry Division, was allowed to resign from the Army after he fired a pistol near a suspected supporter of insurgents during an interrogation in August to frighten him into giving up information about impending attacks against allied soldiers near Tikrit. Colonel West has defended his actions as necessary to protect his troops.

In addition, the Marine Corps has charged eight Marine reservists in the death of an Iraqi prisoner near Nasiriya last June. Two of the eight marines face charges of negligent homicide, while others face lesser charges, Marine officials said.

[Free ThinkerNY]

The NY Times is the voice of the enemy within.

[kinghorse]

Heads on pikes would have removed any pretense. Instead we get men in women's panties.

The whole thing is a shocking example of what happens when a government forbids torture. What are these MP's going to do to get compliance? Time out? Oh my, next thing you know the Iraqi prisons will be in worst shape than a typical American public middle school.

PC killed the Radio Star.

With apologies to the Buggles.

[marron]

We have to keep our eye on the ball. We have to keep our focus. Our purpose in Iraq was and is to replace a dangerous regime with a humane one. We are in the middle of an ongoing gunfight with remnants of that regime, backed by insurgents determined to deny us victory there.

Anything that undermines our will to complete the mission has to be set to one side.

The prison scandal is a problem on two levels, for the abuses themselves, and as it interferes with the overall mission. The men (and women) who entertained themselves at the expense of their prisoners will have to be dealt with publicly and somewhat ruthlessly. They matter less than the mission. This is the reality. Better men are out in the streets dying for that mission, so if they have to do a little time, then they'll just have to buck up and do a little time. Leave the camera at home next time, dummy.

This scandal is a disaster because it undercuts the morality of the mission in the eyes of people who doubt its morality, or oppose its morality. So we will have to move swiftly to deal with it. But what we must not do is allow it to undercut our own will to continue the fight. How does it serve any greater good if our embarrassment over this allows the Baath killers to return to power?

Kerry's claims of atrocities during Viet Nam, and the My Lai incident, undercut our view of that war as a moral struggle, and that condemned several hundred thousand Vietnamese to execution upon our departure, and a couple of generations of Vietnamese to communist tyranny. It would have been better to simply acknowledge the isolated cases, courtmartial the Kerrys and the Calleys while continuing to stand firm.

This is what we need to do now. Let the guards who commit abuses face the music for what they do. But don't condemn the Iraqis to a return of the shredders just because we feel embarrassed. Anyone who has ever led men knows that your tools are imperfect. Sometimes you have to take the heat for mistakes your people make, but you still have to get the job done.

[kinghorse]

I, for one, cannot wait for the debates. The average American is about to go into backlash mode over this crap.

Here's an exchange:
Kerry: Mr. Bush (wouldn't dare show respect for the office) what do you say about this torture. Men in women's panties for G-ds sake. This is an outrage.

Bush: I guess we should have tried time out.

[Eva]

Great article, and yes the story about the body of the Spainish policeman is true.

[elbucko]

President Bush's 2003 State of the Union address when he said that more than 3,000 suspected terrorists... "are no longer a problem for the United States." Works for me. Let's try 10,000.

[Oztrich Boy]

What if the embarassing technique made one terrorist talk and saved one soldier from one bomb?

What if the stupid antics of the REMF's was the cause of the outbreak of Hostage Taking in April?

[motzman]

INTERROGATOR: We know that you took part in the ambush that killed three Americans and wounded ten others. Tell us the names of the rest of your group, and we'll go easy on you.

TERROR SUSPECT: No. I say nothing to you. Nothing will make me talk.

INTERROGATOR: If you don't talk, we'll take away your bedding so you'll have to sleep on the floor.

TERROR SUSPECT: In my village, we don't have floors. Floor is a luxury. I have no problem sleeping on floor.

INTERROGATOR: If you don't talk, we will only give you hot water to drink.

TERROR SUSPECT: So what? I'm used to drinking warm urine.

INTERROGATOR: Please talk.

TERROR SUSPECT: No.

INTERROGATOR: Pretty please?

TERROR SUSPECT: No! What time is Oprah on?

[SevenDaysInMay]

IMO, no Born Again, world class, make nice by example 2-star hotel prison for war crimes illegal comabants can hope to assist winning this Koranazi Terror War against the super power of Civilization.

The atrocity is that arab "men are being treated as women", an arab's quote as reported last week. Koranazis practice "honor killings" of women even rumored to be compromised, so where's the "honor killings" of these men who allowed themselves to be treated like women?

Islam is such a pathological death cult that media's reported words fail to grasp the realities of the long practiced Rules of Engagement as printed in islam's "holy sriptures".

Daniel Pearl's ritualistic decapitation (on video) was mandated, but cannot be so reported because he was a Jew, so killed because he was a Jew, and his fellow American and EUropean journalists fear islam's culture of fatwa persoanal warfare.

Islam in all its glory is at war with America, since 1979 Tehran.

Koranazis are spreading like cancer across this globe - because we have yet to accept our duty to destroy them where ever they are, faster than they breed by the millions.

We either destroy those who would murder us by the millions or one at a time or we fall into HamAss Hell on earth seeing our children butchered at home and school, just as perfected in Israel by islam's devout.

Just as ordered by Arafat, islamists have been breeding for jihad for two generations. In islam's transnational empire, most societies are >50% functionally illiterate and >60%under 25 y.o. - ready for jihad as commanded by islam's "holy" scriptures.

What is being reported as attrocities is harsh treatment, treatment of those guilty as sin, and the unfortunate few caught up with their more guilty brothers.

What happened to the reports of Pfc. Lynch's gang rapes and the murders of her fellow POWs? What happpened to the reports of the several hundred thousand murdered Iraqis and grievously tortured millions of Iraqis? Saddman's Rape Rooms and First Night's privelage with the prettiest brides are old news now that a few infedels are in pictures.

Had it been me, I might well have served left finger sandwhiches to illegal combatant prisoners all over the theater of operations - just to save a few lives.

Since when are illegal combatants given POW status instead of being shot as spies and war criminals? Since J.F.ingK.'s 4 month war crimes spree in Nam?

[oyez]

This story will fizz out like all the others. The so call abuse victims will get a big cash settlement and be set loose. Some GI's will go to Leavenworth. The Democrats and the media will strain for awhile. But the public will soon forget.

I haven't talked to a single person that really upset about it. Some are concerned but they aren't necessarily loosing sleep.

[mrustow]

PC has determined the outcome of this war.

A sitting president in a time of war, and the best poll numbers he can muster are dead even with a perfectly horrible opponent.

If the RNC doesn't wake up and soon...well we know what will happen.

There's a good reason why our money doesn't say, "In the RNC we trust." God will intervene, before the RNC will do anything sensible.

[mrustow]

With all due respect, Grampa Dave, everyone and his Aunt Irma knows about the January "reports," but since none of the information from the Taguba report was available in January, the reports at the time were worthless.

[mrustow]

Stellar take!! My thoughts are the same.

Bump to that!