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Hackworth To Release Names Of 17 Senators on Internet Today

Posted on 05/10/2004 5:51:58 AM PDT by Bubbette

Just heard on KVIl in Dallas, Col. Hackworth being interviewed. Stated he will be releasing the names of the notorious 17 today on the internet. FYI


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: getoutofmysidebar; hackworth; iraqipow; newsbreakswefixit; thinkshesethelmermen
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To: cake_crumb
BYRD: I do not recall hearing a peep out of either of you, Secretary Rumsfeld or General Myers, about this before CBS broke the silence. [Looks like CBS broke YOUR slience, too] Why did it take the televised broadcast of graphic photos of prisoner abuse, a broadcast General Myers has acknowledged he tried to suppress, to galvanize the leadership of the Defense Department to express its outrage over the situation?

Why was a report that described sadistic, blatant and wanton criminal abuses by American soldiers left to languish on a shelf in the Pentagon unread by the top leadership until the media revealed it to the world? [it wasn't on a shelf in the Pentagon, idiot]

Why wasn't Congress apprised of the findings of this report from the Defense Department instead of from CBS News? [Why didn't you open your mouth to your colleagues, KKK Boy?]

Mr. Secretary, it was President Truman who was said to have displayed the famous sign on his desk: The buck stops here. I served with President Truman. He was an honorable man. He did not shirk his responsibility.

I see a very different pattern in this administration. I see arrogance and a disdain for Congress. I see misplaced bravado and an unwillingness to admit mistakes. I see finger-pointing [don't edite, Compost; he said "fingerprinting", we all heard it] and excuses.

Given the catastrophic impact that this scandal has had on the world community, how can the United States ever repair its credibility?

BYRD: How are we supposed to convince not only the Iraqi people, but also the rest of the world that America is indeed a liberator, and not a conqueror, not an arrogant power? Is the presidential apology to the king of Jordan sufficient? [HUH??]

321 posted on 05/10/2004 8:40:30 AM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: ShandaLear
"Hackworth may indeed be gunning for Bush and elected Republicans, but it doesn't seem that he's choosing the best way to achieve his goal."

He is, and they all have a habit of going so far overboard it backfires. And the fact here is that some or all of those senators were lying. If they were complicit in the leak of either the report or the photos, they should be prosecuted.

322 posted on 05/10/2004 8:43:40 AM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: Pukin Dog
That does not surprise me. I said then, and I say now that West is a criminal who should be behind bars.

I mostly kept myself out of the Col. West debates on FR. That was months ago, but I do remember O'Reilly trumpeting his cause.

And now Mr. Lawson says that he also contacted O'Reilly. Mr. Lawson could be a lurker on FR, for all we know, and hoped that O'Reilly would also take up his nephew's cause.

323 posted on 05/10/2004 8:45:31 AM PDT by Dane
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To: Sacajaweau
CLINTON: It's obvious that the information about this particular case came from government sources. It was pushed out and it was widely disseminated.

So, Mr. Secretary, how is it that a case with no basis in fact gets such widespread publicity, based on information from government sources, while egregious conduct like that at the Abu Ghraib prison is cloaked in a classified report, and is only made available when the investigation is leaked to the press?

RUMSFELD: Well, Senator, first let me say, with respect to the question that Senator Reed raised, I can't conceive of anyone looking at the pictures and suggesting that anyone could have recommended, condoned, permitted, encouraged, subtly, directly, in any way, that those things take place.

Second, the decision that was made by the president of the United States that you referred to was announced. And in the announcement it was said that the Al Qaida in Guantanamo that are captured in the world, mostly in Afghanistan, would be treated consistent with the Geneva Convention. That is a fact.

You say the report was well known. I don't know how you know that. All I know is when it made the public, when somebody took a secret document out of prosecutorial channels and released it to the press, I do not believe it was yet anywhere in the Pentagon. Certainly, I had not been given it or seen it. [SLAM DUNK!]

324 posted on 05/10/2004 8:49:08 AM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: cake_crumb
Totally agree. If those Senators were contacted about this last January proceeded feigned moral outrage during their questioning of Rummy, they should all do a few days with Lynndie as punishment.
325 posted on 05/10/2004 8:52:40 AM PDT by ShandaLear (Vote Quagmire...Vote Kerry!!!)
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To: All
Have the names been made public yet??
326 posted on 05/10/2004 8:52:57 AM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (A vote for JF'nK is a vote for Peace in our Time!)
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To: cake_crumb
DAYTON: Mr. Secretary were you aware, did you authorize General Myers to call CBS to suppress their news report?

RUMSFELD: I don't have any idea if he discussed it with me. I don't think he did.

DAYTON: Over the last two weeks, calling CBS to suppress the news report?

RUMSFELD: "Suppress" is not the right word at all.

DAYTON: I'm sorry, sir, but I...

RUMSFELD: It's an inaccurate word.

DAYTON: General Myers, did you discuss it with the secretary?

MYERS: This had been worked at lower levels with the secretary's staff and my staff for some time.

DAYTON: That you would call CBS to suppress their news report?

MYERS: I called CBS to ask them to delay the pictures showing on CBS's "60 Minutes" because I thought it would result in direct harm...

DAYTON: Mr. Secretary, is that standard procedure for the military command of this country to try to suppress a news report at the highest level?

MYERS: It didn't -- let me just -- Senator Dayton, this is a serious allegation...

DAYTON: Sure is.

MYERS: ... and it's absolutely -- the context of your question, I believe, is wrong.

DAYTON: I understand the context, General, you...

MYERS: Let me just...

DAYTON: ... told us the context earlier. I have very limited time, sir.

(CROSSTALK)

MYERS: I want to take as much time as we need to straighten this out.

This report -- the report was already out there, the news was out there about the abuse...

DAYTON: General, if the news had been out there and we had all known about it...

(CROSSTALK)

WARNER: Senator, I ask that the witness be allowed to respond to your question. They're very important questions. [Dayton has HUA Syndrome]

General, would you proceed?

MYERS: Thank you, sir.

Thank you, Senator Dayton.

This was not to suppress anything. What I asked CBS News to do was to delay the release of the pictures, given the current situation in Iraq, which was as bad as it had been since major combat ended, because I thought it bring direct harm to our troops; it would kill our troops.

We talked about it, and I said, "I know this report will eventually come out. But this -- if you can delay it for some period of time -- it would be helpful."

DAYTON: What period of time is that?

MYERS: I did it based on talking to General Abizaid and his worry was like mine, and he convinced me that this was the right thing to do. There was no -- this report has been around since January. What was new were the pictures. I asked for the pictures to be delayed.

DAYTON: Did you discuss delaying -- calling CBS to ask them to delay their report, with the secretary of defense, or the vice president or the president?

MYERS: Of course not.

DAYTON: None of those.

MYERS: Of course not.

DAYTON: I would just say, General -- and I agree with your assessment of the consequences of this on our troops, and that's the great tragedy of this, but attempts to suppress news reports, to withhold the truth from Congress and from the American people is antithetical to democracy.

MYERS: You bet it is. And that's not what we were doing.

DAYTON: And whatever the intentions may be, sir, the result is always the same. And it's, I think, terribly tragic that the president, who wants to expand democracy around the world, by actions of his own administration is undermining that democracy in the United States.

DAYTON: That's always the result when people try to control information, delay it, manage it and suppress it, it has that result. It's antithetical to a democracy.

RUMSFELD: May I speak a minute, Mr. Senator?

Throughout the history of this country, there have been instances where military situations have existed that have led government to talk to members of the media and make an editorial request of them that they delay for some period disclosing some piece of information. It is not against our history. It is not against our principles. It is not suppression of the news. And it's a misunderstanding of the situation to say it is.

DAYTON: It is against our principles. It's against our principles when you come before 40 to 45 members of the Senate three hours before that news report is going to occur and don't mention one word about it, sir.

That is antithetical to democracy and the Constitution, which has the Senate and the House as co-equal responsibility for this country.

I want to just ask about the escalation of American forces, sir. You're bringing in, in response to all of this -- and this is also important. This is the future of this nation and the people who are over there.

You're increasing the number of forces, the number of tanks over there. How can this have anything to do but to escalate the level of violence, the opposition of Iraqis, intensify the hatred across the Arab world to the United States, and more atrocities? How can this have any result other than to put us deeper into this situation and make the conditions there worse for our forces and for our nation and for the world?

[Warner cuts him off due to time; the a$$hole description of his behavior is an understatement]

327 posted on 05/10/2004 8:54:41 AM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: Grampa Dave
Ya got that right!

As an accomplished grandstander himself, Hack is a Kerryman through and through. Besides, you could probably e-mail 17 representatives or Senators with the alarming news that their pants were on fire, and their staffs would send you a form-reponse, without their congressthing every knowing why his butt was now toast.

BTW, I work in the Nation's Capital frequently, and the democraps have an absolute lock on the congressional staff thing, with many Republicans running offices that are staffed in whole, or part, by the enemy. (Check out Ole Bob Dole, whose chief of staff was for many years a flagrant Democrat!) Incidentally,IMHO, an unwholesome number of the apparatchniks of the congress (who actually write the bills and run the place) seem to be gay.

Make sure your Republican representatives have staffs that match their allegedly Republican views.

328 posted on 05/10/2004 9:03:12 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk
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To: cake_crumb
Hack used to be a "media darling"...no one bothers with his dreck on the air waves anymore...Hack is a "sore loser" and he enjoys disrupting ANYTHING that has to do with military where HE WASN'T asked to advise...

Sean used to suck up to him regularly...but haven't seen the Hack on any news outlet...Hack is a typical spoiled punk...where even "bad behavior" will get him a little attention...

He may be highly decorated BUT for his MANY years he certainly appears to be a "long term" loser in the military...

329 posted on 05/10/2004 9:10:38 AM PDT by antivenom ("Never argue with an idiot, he'll bring you down to his level - then beat you with experience.")
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To: Kenny Bunk
Thanks for your reply and the insight re Repubies in DC with Rats on their staffs.

Anytime a repubie in office hires rats, he/she puts themselves in a very dangerous postion.

In the 2000 election, I challenged Hackworthless, that he was not honest enough to admit that he was a Goron supporter and would vote for him.

In my old and crashed computer, there is an Email from Hackworthless admitting that he would vote the Goron.
330 posted on 05/10/2004 9:13:00 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (FReep eye for the liberal lie or what left wing lies of the media will we expose today?)
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To: antivenom
It took the media long enough to realize he has no credibility at all.
331 posted on 05/10/2004 9:15:35 AM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: Grampa Dave; Pukin Dog; hchutch
Here is part of the list.....Howlin heard the names on MSNBC around 11 am....I just post what she posted.

While I have everybody's attention -- LOL -- I will report what I just heard on MSNBC:

The uncle/lawyer of the West Virginia soldier involved in the Iraqi photo scandal was on MSNBC this morning; he told the reporters that they had sent a letter to people in Congress in January.

Those who I can remember who got the letter IN JANUARY were:

Mark Dayton

Bill Nelson

Jay Rockefeller

Robert Byrd

Hillary Clinton

I didn't catch the other names, but those got letter in January informing them of the prison scandal AND the photos, according to this guy!

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332 posted on 05/10/2004 9:22:00 AM PDT by Dog (In Memory of Pat Tillman ---- ---- ---- American Hero.)
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To: Dog
That is interesting.
333 posted on 05/10/2004 9:23:05 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (FReep eye for the liberal lie or what left wing lies of the media will we expose today?)
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To: Grampa Dave
Dayton knew about it....that rotten SOB.
334 posted on 05/10/2004 9:26:24 AM PDT by Dog (In Memory of Pat Tillman ---- ---- ---- American Hero.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
War Crime, right, LoL.

It is, in fact, a very specific war crime. The display of prisoners for "propaganda purposes" is a war crime by the Geneva Conventions. Now, you may argue it was not an offical act, but the intent of the prohibition is clear.

335 posted on 05/10/2004 9:35:44 AM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending)
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To: Dianna
It doesn't matter who they are really. They shouldn't have gotten involved in the criminal investigation, they DIDN'T get involved, and the most they ought to have done is report the slimy uncle to the authorities.

You are excusing the senators in retrospect. Should they assume every crime brought to their attention is already being investigated?

336 posted on 05/10/2004 9:43:02 AM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending)
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To: Dog
They all knew about it. Their flagship fishwrap, the NY Slimes had a key story about this on 17 Jan 2004.

They just kept it on the back burner and Hersch and others spun the story and then released it in their latest attempt to electronically lynch GW and Rummy.

This story was published by the NY Slimes on 17 Jan 2004.

It was ignored by the Rat Pack Senators until they felt they could remove Rummy and hurt GW via another electronic lynching attempt.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1131946/posts

Inquiry Ordered Into Reports of Prisoner Abuse [January 17, 2004 NYT Article]

New York Times ^ | January 17, 2004 | ERIC SCHMITT


Posted on 05/08/2004 9:59:57 AM PDT by risk



January 17, 2004

Inquiry Ordered Into Reports of Prisoner Abuse
By ERIC SCHMITT



ASHINGTON, Jan. 16 — The top American commander in Iraq has ordered a criminal investigation into allegations that detainees at the sprawling Abu Ghraib prison outside Baghdad have been abused by American forces, military officials said Friday.

A statement by the military command in Baghdad gave no details about the scope or severity of the incidents, saying only that Lt. Gen. Ricardo S. Sanchez, the senior American officer in Iraq, had directed an inquiry into the latest in a string of reported abuses of prisoners.

"The release of specific information concerning the incidents could hinder the investigation, which is in its early stages," the statement said.

A senior Pentagon official said authorities had been alerted to the possible abuse of detainees in the past few days and were taking the allegations "very seriously."

The American-led occupation is holding thousands of suspected insurgents and criminals at Abu Ghraib, a large prison west of Baghdad that was notorious during the rule of Saddam Hussein for overcrowded cells and torture chambers.


The inquiry ordered by General Sanchez is expected to add fuel to allegations by Amnesty International and many former detainees that the American captors have treated prisoners harshly or abused them in certain cases.

Earlier this month, three Army reservists were discharged for abusing prisoners at Camp Bucca, a detention center near Basra, in southern Iraq. In late December, Brig. Gen. Ennis Whitehead III determined that the three soldiers had kicked and punched prisoners or encouraged others to do so.

Late last year, Lt. Col. Allen B. West, a battalion commander in the Fourth Infantry Division, was allowed to resign from the Army after he fired a pistol near a suspected supporter of insurgents during an interrogation in August to frighten him into giving up information about impending attacks against allied soldiers near Tikrit. Colonel West has defended his actions as necessary to protect his troops.

In addition, the Marine Corps has charged eight Marine reservists in the death of an Iraqi prisoner near Nasiriya last June. Two of the eight marines face charges of negligent homicide, while others face lesser charges, Marine officials said.
337 posted on 05/10/2004 9:45:06 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (FReep eye for the liberal lie or what left wing lies of the media will we expose today?)
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To: Howlin
What site was the Taguba report posted on?

lnteresting question. Trying to figure out who sent it to Hillary!, I did a google search for it early Saturday morning. The first site that came up was globalsecurity.org. I didn't see that it was on MSNBC at that time. It was also in a few blogs.

As far as I can tell, the first time I posted a link to it here was at 11:13AM Eastern on Saturday. The MSNBC version was posted in part byFrench-American Republican at 2:06PM, and in full byTomGuy at 2:57PM.

I don't know if someone posted a link before me.

My current guess is that it was leaked to the New Yorker reporter by the lawyer for one of the court martialed soldiers who represented the LT in Mai Lai. The New Yorker reporter gave it to CBS, who might have handed it to Hillary! All of this is speculation, though. I have no proof.

What do we know about globalsecurity.org?
338 posted on 05/10/2004 9:45:07 AM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: conservative in nyc; kcvl; deport; RedBloodedAmerican
What do we know about globalsecurity.org?

I know nothing, but I can "call" people who can find out!

339 posted on 05/10/2004 9:46:13 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: eno_
"Should they assume every crime brought to their attention is already being investigated?"

Yes, especially when the report was leaked and the press reported it last JANUARY.

340 posted on 05/10/2004 10:06:47 AM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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