THE GHOUL NEXT DOOR WAS JAIL ABUSE FOTOG

New York Post ^ | 5/09/04 | ALY SUJO

[kattracks]

Yes, there's a photo with this article, but it's credited to the Washington Post.

[Anti-Bubba182]

LINK

[Miss Marple]

I am glad I read down through the thread, or I would have posted the same two quotes! The mother is just blathering.

I don't buy the evidence reason for the photos. Those were not surreptitious photos taken when guards were unaware. They were posed, and the guards were mugging for the camera.

My big question is the involvement of MI in this, especially since some were unvetted civiliian contractors. The one scenario that makes sense to me is if some of the photos were posed at the direction of MI to use as tools to threaten other prisoners. In other words, "Look here Abdul, either give us the information or we will send you to the wing where women treat Iraqi men this way."

As I understanad the Geneva Convention this also would be wrong, but at least it would make more sense than MP's simply posing with naked guys for souvenir photos.

Then, of course, we have the civilian contractor who left the prison in February and is now blabbing all sorts of stuff to the Guardian in Britain. An obvious liberal (Dean supporter) I am wondering why he was even in that specialty. Was the point of the photos for interrogation, or was the point of the photos to get some evidence proving the US is evil?

There are a great many questions yet to be answered.

[MagnoliaB]

What a bunch of hooey from these parents! Appears to me thier daughter was part of "causing atrocities" not "exposing atrocities". Why would parents expose their kids to homicide pictures? That just sounds sick to me. Well ma look what I have for you on Mother's Day!

[R. Scott]

Don't forget "Robin said her daughter would never hurt anyone."
With her family background, it was probably just business as usual.

[Anti-Bubba182]

The DOD authorized methods that go beyond privileges and sleep.

Pentagon okayed tough questioning methods

What went on here went far beyond that.

[longjack]

PUBLICITY STUNT? An undated family handout photo obtained by the "Washington Post" showing Army Specialist Sabrina D. Harman with a young Iraqi boy in Al Hillah, Iraq. Sabrina is among those charged with abuse of Iraqi detainees at Abu Ghraib prison. - AFP

This is from the "Times of Oman", with the included picture tile credited to AFP.

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[AmericaUnited]

Sabrina the Witch

[Anti-Bubba182]

".. My big question is the involvement of MI in this.."

That and how high in the chain of command this goes are the questions.

[dennisw]

Many thanks for the photos of this Sabrina.

[spetznaz]

Several that I see, but we Freepers are used to a Clintonian Quality of BS. The girl doesn't have the practice or inate ability.

That's true ....BS has to be of a certain pedigree and potency to make even a slight rustle on FR, and this 'lady' does not have it. Her BS is the usual run-of-the-mill watered-down atrophied kind.

Clinton on the other hand was the master of slime and obfuscation ....which i think is starting to be noticed now by comparing him to Kerry. They are both slime ....with the difference being that Clinton's slime was by far more vile, and he could sling it with extreme dexterity. Kerry is a rank amateur compared to him.

Poor Dems ....not only are they still stuck with slime, but moreover this time over they are stuck with totally useless slime.

Addendum: I know this thread is about something totally different, but I couldn't stop myself. LOL (sorry).

[Terp]

An Army investigation into abuses at Abu Ghraib showed that discipline had disintegrated among bitter MPs. The report said the soldiers felt overwhelmed, and that they were angry at the military's broken promises that they would be going home.

A report written by Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba said angry, gun-toting reservists in civilian clothes ruled the prison, and that life at the infamous torture center was punctuated by riots and the shooting of inmates.

OK reading between the lines. These reservists are pissed because they were called up for active duty. Of course they never expected it, that’s why most join the reserves in the first place. With that expectation.

So they act like spoiled little kids with the power of life and death in their hands. And it appears from what I’ve heard is coming out that some may have committed murder.

And now it’s wah wah wahhhhhhhh. It’s not our fault, it’s the Chain of Commands fault.

Now I know that some higher ups are at fault but these punks are starting to make me feel like I want to puke.

[tkathy]

Women need to be kept out of male prisons worldwide. Period. Especially young naive women.

[dsc]

"I would think there's a nice feminine middle ground between dykes on bikes and burka wearing slaves."

Sure. It's called June Cleaver. Or maybe Harriet Nelson.

[dsc]

One thing nobody seems to be saying:

The major general and the brigadier general were women.

The subject of this thread was a woman.

Twenty years ago when this "women in the military" crapola was picking up steam, guys like me predicted this kind of crap.

Now it's happened, and nobody is drawing the obvious conclusion.

Women are constitutionally incapable of comprehending the warrior ethos, much less developing it.

What's the name of that book? "I Am a Soldier Too?"

Road apples. Women in uniform are not soldiers, and can never be soldiers, no matter how hard you click your ruby slippers together and wish.

[Caipirabob]

Sadly, I'm not so upset for her doing whatever she did to the prisoners in Iraq. I'm more angry that she embarassed our nation. I'd settle for a court martial (or military tribunal) over the photos and permit the prisoners to "sue her" for damages in court (and limit it to that.) I'd hang her for how she embarassed the entire nation, the filthy pervert...

As far as the prisoners, the photo thing pales to what the prisoners themselves most likely inflicted upon their fellow men under Saddam. Anyone remember the "shredders"? The activities that took place with the photos were more like some badly written script pathetic soft-core pron flic.

I think of the guys being put in the shredders. I think about our poor people at the top of the WTC on September 11th. I think of the photos of prison-twister. So what if the prison was run like a YMCA day camp gone out of control?

[dsc]

"Now I know that some higher ups are at fault but these punks are starting to make me feel like I want to puke."

After WWII Milgram did some research on how the Germans could have turned into such monsters. His unhappy conclusion: practically anybody will, if somebody in a lab coat carrying a clipboard tells them to.

http://designweb.otago.ac.nz/grant/psyc/OBEDIANCE.HTML

Neither the (woman) major general nor the (woman) brigadier general were providing proper leadership. Despite this, some units which had proper commanding officers (which is to say, commanding officers who had a pair) performed properly.

In a chaotic leadership vacuum, two civilians with all the romantic halo of the spook asked some lower-ranking military members to help them by softening up the prisoners. The snuffys had neither training nor clear orders nor hands-on supervision to guide them.

While their conduct was utterly shameful and unacceptable, it is hardly incomprehensible.

If our government were run according to the dictates of right reason, one of the consequences of this incident would be the abrupt termination of this "women in the military" insanity.

[Da Mav]

Entirely too much breast beating on what we have seen to date. I'll reserve judgement on what is yet to come.

Let's get the focus back to killing terrorist Jihadi and stop wallowing in our own shortcomings. The matter will be investigated, where laws were broken people will be punished, corrective actions will be taken. This will not win the war. Killing the bad guys will win the war.

[Savage Beast]

The abuse of prisoners was obviously the result of deviants who slipped through the cracks and not U.S. policy. The President has apologized. Those responsible will be dealt with according to law. The Democrats and their supporters in the Newsmedia will seek to exploit it for political purposes--as they would anything. America's enemies--at home and abroad--will use it as ammunition against the U.S. if they can.

What's scary is this:

There will always be deviants and sickos in every population, and it is impossible to prevent them from gaining power over other people. When they do, they will abuse them.

This is true of prison guards. It is also true of politicians.

Some of the most merciless, sadistic, cruel, exploitive, and inhuman sickos I have ever seen have been "environmentalists" and those empowered by enormously rich "environmentalist charities". I shudder to imagine what some of these people would do if they had defenseless prisoners at their mercy.

Another thing that is disturbing is the corrupting effect of power and the fact that prison guards have significant power over prisoners. It is an easy thing, it seems, for a guard to slide down the slippery slope from control to discipline to abuse--from necessary control to stripping prisoners to forcing them to commit sex acts to beating them to torturing them to... You get the picture.

Someone who is not a sicko can be corrupted by power.

And, to paraphrase Joseph Conrad--we never know what's in our own heart of darkness until we are tested.

[Kozak]

Harman, an Army reservist from Alexandria, Va., is also accused of photographing a corpse and then posing for a picture with it, as well as jumping on prisoners as they lay in a pile and writing "rapeist" on one detainee's leg. Army documents say Harman also attached wires to a prisoner's hands while he stood on a box with his head covered, then told the prisoner he would be electrocuted if he fell off.

Yeah but now this sadistic little POS is playing the hero card, she was just exposing the injustice of it all. she has all the makings of becoming a Hero of the Left of Kerry like stature. Watch for her to run for the Senate as a Democrat.