Abu Gharib, other parts of the picture. An Interview with an Iraqi citizen

IRAQ THE MODEL | May 8th 2004 | An Iraqi

[Travis McGee]

I'm sure that ABCNNBCBS will put this Iraqi doctor on for a fresh view point.

[Heatseeker]

Thanks Stefania! Iraq The Model is one of the better ones.

[Tunehead54]

Oh oh! The doc let slip our most abusive, torturous technique and nobody noticed! Shhhh!

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"- Yes, but they are given only two cigarettes every day."

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Barbaric! ;-)

[El Gato]

The offensive acts were conducted by individuals untrained to conduct them, against prisoners who had nothing to offer, with no clear objective and it was not apparently under the control of the commanding general. In other words, this was not a military mission. It was the activities of a bunch of sadistic rabble who no more respresent America and our values than the terrorists we are trying to fight.

It was what happens when prison guards are not properly trained, disciplined and lead. Doesn't matter what the nation of origin, the educational level of the guards, or much else. See the Stanford Prison Experiment, in which a group of college students in 1971 were assigned to play the role of guard or prisoner. Very similar things to what we have seen (so far) out of these MPs, happened. They had to call off the "experiment" after only 6 days of a scheduled two weeks.

[El Gato]

Virtually all of the vets I have encountered believe that this was abusive and needs to be nipped in the bud so that our great and honorable fighting forces can go out and accomplish their mission

It does indeed, and the Army has done just that. Everyone involved is responsible, but I place much more responsibility on the officers for not doing their jobs.

[F14 Pilot]

we must send this to any Media/Paper we know.

[IrishRainy]

I'm sorry, but I don't feel that I have a "problem." I'm appalled that in the middle of a war the dumbocrats would choose to politicize this issue. It proves they really don't care about our country, and that it's all about power for them -- which sickens me.

I also don't have much sympathy for these prisoners because in the scheme of things, they're lucky to be alive -- plus they have it better than many American prisoners. Whether or not they are deemed unimportant intelligence wise, they were still captured on the battlefield so we must have had SOME reason to hold them in the first place.

I never said these MPs were blameless. In fact, I think some of them are freaking perverts, and the rest just went along with them. They have dishonored themselves, the military, and our country, so they should get the book thrown at them. In addition, their commanding officers should receive the same punishment for gross dereliction of duty. What were they doing while the inmates were running the asylum, for God's sake?

And for the record, my father was career AF and I was a military brat, so I hold the military in high regard. I'm sure that if my father were still alive, he'd be heartbroken about this stain on our servicemen.

Overall, I feel that if this were not an election year, we wouldn't be having these televised hearings or having this discussion in such depth. The horror that "the other side" is feigning for the cameras is ridiculous, especially since they've known about this investigation since January and I never saw their outrage then. After reading about the memo Rockefeller sent around, it's apparent they want to bring down this president at any cost, which infuriates me!

[blackie]

Common sense ~ Bump!

We are winning ~ the bad guys are losing ~ trolls, terrorists, democrats and the mainstream media are sad ~ very sad!

~~ Bush/Cheney 2004 ~~

[ZULU]

This entire episode has been overblown, as expected. The liberals and Dems are using it as a political cudgel.

Any abuse of prisoners should be punished and the entire thing hushed up. It's demoralizing for the majority of American soldiers over there and unfairly damages our international image and interfers with what we are trying to accomplish.

The similarity between this and Viet Nam is in the insidiousness, treachery and outright treason of the leftist media, making a mountain out of a molehill in an attempt to undermine the President and get the traitor Kerry elected.

[SandRat]

All we can do is send it out, but since it does not fit in the "Effete Elite Journalistic Intelligentsia Mindset" I doubt they would print it and even if they did they'd have to spin it somehow to fit their bash America agenda. Just because the HATE PRESIDENT BUSH viscerally.

[windchime]

Bump!

[t_durdent]

The situation for U.S. prsoner's is very sad and should also be scrutinized and investigated. However, that does not justify the actions of any soldiers, or "military contractors" which were taken at the abu gharib prison, or at any other of the POW facilities. Unfortunately, there is no such thing as humanity during war because war itself is inhumane. So to actually be naive enough to think that this prison abuse scandal is something new, we obviously have amnesia. Whether it was in Vietnam, Iraq or it was in our own domestic prisons, the fact is that people who are caged like animals, will be treated like animals.
There is no morality, only fear!