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Soldier's Family Set in Motion Chain of Events on Disclosure [Hackworth involved in CBS photos]
NY Times ^ | 5/8/04 | James Dao and Eric Lichtblau

Posted on 05/07/2004 11:02:41 PM PDT by saquin

CUMBERLAND, Md., May 7 — Ivan Frederick was distraught. His son, an Army reservist turned prison guard in Iraq, was under investigation earlier this year for mistreating prisoners, and photographs of the abuse were beginning to circulate among soldiers and military investigators.

So the father went to his brother-in-law, William Lawson, who was afraid that reservists like his nephew would end up taking the fall for what he considered command lapses, Mr. Lawson recounted in an interview on Friday. He knew whom to turn to: David Hackworth, a retired colonel and a muckraker who was always willing to take on the military establishment. Mr. Lawson sent an e-mail message in March to Mr. Hackworth's Web site and got a call back from an associate there in minutes, he said.

That e-mail message would put Mr. Lawson in touch with the CBS News program "60 Minutes II" and help set in motion events that led to the public disclosure of the graphic photographs and an international crisis for the Bush administration.

It is still not entirely clear who leaked the photos and how they got into the hands of a "60 Minutes II" producer. What is clear, however, is that the furor over the photos is unlikely to dissipate any time soon.

And it may only get worse.

Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld disclosed Friday that there were "many more photos" and videos of abuse that have not yet become public. And he acknowledged in Senate testimony that the military might have mishandled the affair by not alerting members of Congress and the public to the growing seriousness of the military's investigation into the abuses before the images became public on "60 Minutes II."

"I wish I had been able to convey to them the gravity of this before we saw it in the media," Mr. Rumsfeld said.

The irony, Mr. Lawson said, is that the public spectacle might have been avoided if the military and the federal government had been responsive to his claims that his nephew was simply following orders. Mr. Lawson said he sent letters to 17 members of Congress about the case earlier this year, with virtually no response, and that he ultimately contacted Mr. Hackworth's Web site out of frustration, leading him to cooperate with a consultant for "60 Minutes II."

"The Army had the opportunity for this not to come out, not to be on 60 Minutes," he said. "But the Army decided to prosecute those six G.I.'s because they thought me and my family were a bunch of poor, dirt people who could not do anything about it. But unfortunately, that was not the case."

Many of the incriminating photographs appear to have been taken on a digital camera by a soldier in the 372nd Military Police Company who is now facing a court-martial. From there, they appear to have circulated among military personnel in Iraq via e-mail and computer disks, and some may have found their way to family members in the United States.

But there are still numerous unresolved questions about the photographs. One is why they were taken. Some officials suggest that soldiers wanted the photographs as souvenirs, but some relatives said they believed that the photographs were going to be shown to other prisoners to pressure their cooperation.

Then there is the question of how the photographs became public.

Lt. Gen. Lance Smith, deputy commander of forces in the region, testifying Friday before Congress, said he was still unclear how that happened. "It was a surprise that it got out," General Smith said.

Military officials were aware of two disks with photographs on them that were part of continuing investigations, one in Iraq and another in Washington, he said.

"That was the limit of the pictures, and we thought we had them all," General Smith said.

Producers at "60 Minutes II" are not saying exactly how they got the photographs. But Jeff Fager, the executive producer, said, "We heard about someone who was outraged about it and thought that the public should know about it."

Digital cameras have become so ubiquitous in the military that many relatives of personnel in the 372nd and other units in Iraq said they routinely received photographs by e-mail. But the photographs were usually tourist-type photographs of smiling sons and daughters, relatives said.

Officials said that the photographs showing psychological or physical abuse numbered in the hundreds, perhaps more than 1,000, with Mr. Rumsfeld hinting Friday that more may come out.

Among some prison personnel in Iraq, the photographs were apparently an open secret. "Some soldiers in Iraq had them — I'm hearing that soldiers were showing them to everybody," Mr. Lawson said. He said he did not have the original photos and did not turn them over to anyone.

The photographs have now turned soldiers like Mr. Lawson's nephew, Staff Sgt. Ivan Frederick, and Pfc. Lynndie R. England into graphic symbols of military abuse. But for Mr. Lawson, they are evidence of a complete breakdown in training and authority in the Iraqi prison system.

He shared his frustration in his March 23 e-mail message to Mr. Hackworth's Web site, writing: "We have contacted the Red Cross, Congress both parties, Bill O'Reilly and many others. Nobody wants to touch this."

Less than five weeks later, images of his nephew — interviewed on "60 Minutes II" with Mr. Lawson's help — would be shown around the world. Far from untouchable, the story would become unavoidable.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2004electionbias; 60minutes; abugerbil; agitprop; bushhaters; cbs; ccrm; crazyivan; dontaskdonttell; hacknut; hackworth; iraq; iraqaftermath; iraqipow; iraqipowphotos; ivanfrederick; jailhouselawyers; loathesthemilitary; media; mediabias; moralrelativism; prisonabuse; propaganda; saddamites; therestofthestory
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To: McGavin999
We're going to have to find out if she met with BG Karpinski while she was over there.



Indeed.
Good thinking!
181 posted on 05/08/2004 12:21:06 AM PDT by onyx (WHO LEAKED TO CBS? Was it you Col. Hackworth?)
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To: McGavin999
I am with ya on that.
182 posted on 05/08/2004 12:21:06 AM PDT by Texasforever (The French love John Kerry. He is their new Jerry Lewis)
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To: BfloGuy
I don't see it either. I don't yet buy the Military intellegence, CIA angle in all this. I am inclining toward extracurricular fun and games for some really bad apples.
183 posted on 05/08/2004 12:21:12 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: nopardons
Forgive me madam, I am humbled in your presence. ;-

My experiment failed...I see, overall (not counting you and Texasforever and a few others) this is still a waste of time.

I felt a little intellecutal tonight. Thanks to both of you for stimulating my thoughts. As for the rest, the same as always - total illogical garbage with responses based on emotion and post more than subject.

Many regards as I find other things to do. P.S. Things are really going well in the new job...I'm updating all my old stuff and going over the balance sheets and reconciling the laziness of others. I'm already implementing my rules and procedures and they are more efficient and productive.

But that's not surprising.
184 posted on 05/08/2004 12:21:24 AM PDT by Fledermaus
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To: BykrBayb
Calm down,take that chip off your shoulder,and watch your language.
185 posted on 05/08/2004 12:22:57 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: onyx
I know you said he could lose his pension, but I want

No his pension is the reason he is subject to Military Justice. He could lose a lot more than that pension.

186 posted on 05/08/2004 12:22:58 AM PDT by Texasforever (The French love John Kerry. He is their new Jerry Lewis)
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To: BykrBayb
Women have a place in battle, like in the air as pilots and anywhere where they are not likely to be captured.

The woman in those pictures hit almost every stereotype imaginable based on an article I read in the California Orange County Register.

She was a belligerent tomboy who lived in a trailer park with her mom. Went into the armed forces, carried this out and is now pregnant.

If not for the real possible torture, this would have Springer all over this for a show.
187 posted on 05/08/2004 12:24:11 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Texasforever
Sort of blows that carefully crafted myth of him being the "soldiers...soldier" doesn't it? Hack is a hack.



He's worse than that if this article is true.
Besides being a GDSOB, he's done grave damage
to our country, to POTUS, to Rummy, but particularly
to every soldier. Sacrificial lambs to him.
188 posted on 05/08/2004 12:24:36 AM PDT by onyx (WHO LEAKED TO CBS? Was it you Col. Hackworth?)
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To: Howlin
Most of those "defiant soldiers" only joined for the money.

It's good to know that I'm not the only person that thinks that. Every time I hear a "soldier's family" say "he/she just wanted to get a college education"...I want to scream!

If your kid desires a college education, and you want to keep them "out of harms way"...pay for it yourself! The Military is not a Pell Grant; nor is it a part-time job. If you need a second job, and are not interested in actually fighting a war, get a job at the mall.

Did they think they would be helping little old ladies cross the street?

189 posted on 05/08/2004 12:24:55 AM PDT by garandgal
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To: McGavin999
I think that ALL of us want exactly THAT!

If what Rummy said today is any indication of things to come,we just might be in for some interesting times.

190 posted on 05/08/2004 12:25:30 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
"One has to wonder why the military didn't check these people's priors,before they assigned them to this detail and/or into the service."

Not every crime is reported. Plus not all mental cases show obvious signs.
191 posted on 05/08/2004 12:26:13 AM PDT by GottaLuvAkitas1
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To: nopardons
Yes,it appears that there are some sickos and perverts in this crowd and that girl is one of them.Subtract her from the picture and who knows if this would have raised nearly as much faux ire.

Faux ire among Muslims? I frankly don't care.

192 posted on 05/08/2004 12:26:17 AM PDT by Dolphy (I joined the redlipstick boycott of MSNBC)
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To: Texasforever
No his pension is the reason he is subject to Military Justice. He could lose a lot more than that pension.




OK.
NOW I understand.
Good.
Then the Military "can" prosecute him.
Perfect.
193 posted on 05/08/2004 12:26:42 AM PDT by onyx (WHO LEAKED TO CBS? Was it you Col. Hackworth?)
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To: Texasforever
I don't want him to loose his retirement check.

In the perfect world, I'd rather see him recalled to active duty, busted down to E-1, the retired again.

I'd rather enjoy him knowing that from that day forward he would be entitled to refer to himself as PRIVATE HACKworthless.

194 posted on 05/08/2004 12:27:01 AM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: GottaLuvAkitas1
"When they are the law and power there, if they are corrupt human beings with evil in their hearts, they have the power to enact anything for a time until they are caught and made to answer for their crimes."
195 posted on 05/08/2004 12:27:03 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: BykrBayb
Typical response from a troll. You have no idea and no intelligence and no tolerance for anything but YOUR opinion. So why do you bother to even post in a debate forum?

I've never been to DU but I know the shallow crap they post and your last one is exactly what they like to post. I'm glad you are a happy sheep member that can't debate but instead attack and are willing to walk over a cliff as long as the one in front of you did the same.

Talk about vile. If you can't take opinion that contradicts yours while you offer no defense other than personal attack, don't whine to me. And you have the audacity to talk about American values?

What a joke.

196 posted on 05/08/2004 12:27:14 AM PDT by Fledermaus
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To: nopardons
What language? What are you talking about? Did you respond to the wrong post?
197 posted on 05/08/2004 12:27:14 AM PDT by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: nopardons
Light years? WOW! Thanks...I figured only Mach 2 at best! he he
198 posted on 05/08/2004 12:28:35 AM PDT by Fledermaus
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To: beaversmom
House

Senate

In the House hearings Representative Weldon requested that Rummy "look into a platoon leader that evidently was aware of these actions and a commander who has been transferred, but I understand not yet reprimanded or had charges brought, who is a staff member to a sitting member of Congress , to see whether or not there was any special treatment granted."

Hmmmmm....
199 posted on 05/08/2004 12:28:40 AM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: GottaLuvAkitas1
She was in Iraq just after Thanksgiving. Remember, she spent TG day in Afghanistan and then went to Iraq AFTER President Bush's big surprise. She was in Baghdad and did a little traveling around. I wonder if she met with Karpinski (the woman general)
200 posted on 05/08/2004 12:30:26 AM PDT by McGavin999 (If Kerry can't deal with the "Republican Attack Machine" how is he going to deal with Al Qaeda)
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