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Soldier's Family Set in Motion Chain of Events on Disclosure [Hackworth involved in CBS photos]
NY Times ^ | 5/8/04 | James Dao and Eric Lichtblau

Posted on 05/07/2004 11:02:41 PM PDT by saquin

CUMBERLAND, Md., May 7 — Ivan Frederick was distraught. His son, an Army reservist turned prison guard in Iraq, was under investigation earlier this year for mistreating prisoners, and photographs of the abuse were beginning to circulate among soldiers and military investigators.

So the father went to his brother-in-law, William Lawson, who was afraid that reservists like his nephew would end up taking the fall for what he considered command lapses, Mr. Lawson recounted in an interview on Friday. He knew whom to turn to: David Hackworth, a retired colonel and a muckraker who was always willing to take on the military establishment. Mr. Lawson sent an e-mail message in March to Mr. Hackworth's Web site and got a call back from an associate there in minutes, he said.

That e-mail message would put Mr. Lawson in touch with the CBS News program "60 Minutes II" and help set in motion events that led to the public disclosure of the graphic photographs and an international crisis for the Bush administration.

It is still not entirely clear who leaked the photos and how they got into the hands of a "60 Minutes II" producer. What is clear, however, is that the furor over the photos is unlikely to dissipate any time soon.

And it may only get worse.

Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld disclosed Friday that there were "many more photos" and videos of abuse that have not yet become public. And he acknowledged in Senate testimony that the military might have mishandled the affair by not alerting members of Congress and the public to the growing seriousness of the military's investigation into the abuses before the images became public on "60 Minutes II."

"I wish I had been able to convey to them the gravity of this before we saw it in the media," Mr. Rumsfeld said.

The irony, Mr. Lawson said, is that the public spectacle might have been avoided if the military and the federal government had been responsive to his claims that his nephew was simply following orders. Mr. Lawson said he sent letters to 17 members of Congress about the case earlier this year, with virtually no response, and that he ultimately contacted Mr. Hackworth's Web site out of frustration, leading him to cooperate with a consultant for "60 Minutes II."

"The Army had the opportunity for this not to come out, not to be on 60 Minutes," he said. "But the Army decided to prosecute those six G.I.'s because they thought me and my family were a bunch of poor, dirt people who could not do anything about it. But unfortunately, that was not the case."

Many of the incriminating photographs appear to have been taken on a digital camera by a soldier in the 372nd Military Police Company who is now facing a court-martial. From there, they appear to have circulated among military personnel in Iraq via e-mail and computer disks, and some may have found their way to family members in the United States.

But there are still numerous unresolved questions about the photographs. One is why they were taken. Some officials suggest that soldiers wanted the photographs as souvenirs, but some relatives said they believed that the photographs were going to be shown to other prisoners to pressure their cooperation.

Then there is the question of how the photographs became public.

Lt. Gen. Lance Smith, deputy commander of forces in the region, testifying Friday before Congress, said he was still unclear how that happened. "It was a surprise that it got out," General Smith said.

Military officials were aware of two disks with photographs on them that were part of continuing investigations, one in Iraq and another in Washington, he said.

"That was the limit of the pictures, and we thought we had them all," General Smith said.

Producers at "60 Minutes II" are not saying exactly how they got the photographs. But Jeff Fager, the executive producer, said, "We heard about someone who was outraged about it and thought that the public should know about it."

Digital cameras have become so ubiquitous in the military that many relatives of personnel in the 372nd and other units in Iraq said they routinely received photographs by e-mail. But the photographs were usually tourist-type photographs of smiling sons and daughters, relatives said.

Officials said that the photographs showing psychological or physical abuse numbered in the hundreds, perhaps more than 1,000, with Mr. Rumsfeld hinting Friday that more may come out.

Among some prison personnel in Iraq, the photographs were apparently an open secret. "Some soldiers in Iraq had them — I'm hearing that soldiers were showing them to everybody," Mr. Lawson said. He said he did not have the original photos and did not turn them over to anyone.

The photographs have now turned soldiers like Mr. Lawson's nephew, Staff Sgt. Ivan Frederick, and Pfc. Lynndie R. England into graphic symbols of military abuse. But for Mr. Lawson, they are evidence of a complete breakdown in training and authority in the Iraqi prison system.

He shared his frustration in his March 23 e-mail message to Mr. Hackworth's Web site, writing: "We have contacted the Red Cross, Congress both parties, Bill O'Reilly and many others. Nobody wants to touch this."

Less than five weeks later, images of his nephew — interviewed on "60 Minutes II" with Mr. Lawson's help — would be shown around the world. Far from untouchable, the story would become unavoidable.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
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To: Howlin
The real military will turn on him.

Turn on him? That's mild. If this turns out to be true, if I were him I wouldn't go out after dark and never, never be alone. It's one thing to be betrayed by a civilian, it's quite another thing to be betrayed by someone who claimed to be their champion.

141 posted on 05/08/2004 12:03:26 AM PDT by McGavin999 (If Kerry can't deal with the "Republican Attack Machine" how is he going to deal with Al Qaeda)
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To: Fledermaus
Thanks. I'm understanding you very well.
142 posted on 05/08/2004 12:04:00 AM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: BykrBayb
I didn't know you owned the definiton of "sad". I thought it was your wimpy attitude.
143 posted on 05/08/2004 12:04:32 AM PDT by Fledermaus
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To: GottaLuvAkitas1
If there was rape, mutilation and such, those soldiers will be killed by hanging or firing squad I believe.

Just shows that despite being mostly a majority of good people in America, there are our bad apples as well, and technology and people with political agendas do make this a monster of an issue.
144 posted on 05/08/2004 12:04:34 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A Citizen Reporter
She has her own secret band of informers and she does not fool me at all...They hate Rumsfield..Kennedy,Hillary.dems,the press and some of the ones at the Pentagon...Hillary's press statement is so pompous.
145 posted on 05/08/2004 12:04:39 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: A CA Guy
Exactly
146 posted on 05/08/2004 12:05:34 AM PDT by Fledermaus
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To: A Citizen Reporter
"No, it doesn't. It suggests that we want a thorough investigation. Not a circus where congresscritters can beat their breasts and grandstand. It suggests that we want to koow who was involved in leaking these photos. I think I already know. You see, Hillary is more used to being on the staff side of investigations......like when she was a staffer on the Watergate investigation. Today, she slipped up. She confused her roles, and let slip something that she knew that she shouldn't have.
And Rummy caught her!"


I missed what Hillary said. Can you please fill me in?
147 posted on 05/08/2004 12:05:53 AM PDT by GottaLuvAkitas1
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To: nopardons
Neither women belonged anywhere near Iraq and neither do the other women who are there now,belong there either.

This seems completely beside the point. Subtract the women and you still have the current problem (unless we are focusing on the deep humiliation of the prisoners).

148 posted on 05/08/2004 12:06:21 AM PDT by Dolphy (I joined the redlipstick boycott of MSNBC)
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To: Howlin
The "military" has known what HACK is for years. He's to the common soldier what buchanan is to the common citizen...nothing. Those who do fall for their line of BS are usually those who, like them, need an excuse to blame their own failures on someone else (militarily or politically).
149 posted on 05/08/2004 12:06:46 AM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Diddle E. Squat
You're probably correct, but I believe eventually, every Dog has his day, IMHO the DoJ has got to have some serious dirt on the Klinton's, Louis Freeh hated them.
150 posted on 05/08/2004 12:06:53 AM PDT by MJY1288 (Our Injured Soldiers at Walter Reed Have Yet to be Visited by John Kerry. What's he Afraid of?)
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To: nopardons
Well, we are alone. It's almost not even allowed around here to voice an opinion. Especially if it doesn't contour to the "Bush or nothing" crowd.

And you seriously think it's worse on the "dark side"? Hey, I was wanting to go there to argue for you! he he

Okay, I'll drop it!
151 posted on 05/08/2004 12:07:56 AM PDT by Fledermaus
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To: MEG33
Wasn't her heiness in Iraq around Thanksgiving? Wasn't that just after this happened? I heard from someone that there was nothing like this going on in the prison then this started up for about 3 weeks and then stopped.
152 posted on 05/08/2004 12:08:09 AM PDT by McGavin999 (If Kerry can't deal with the "Republican Attack Machine" how is he going to deal with Al Qaeda)
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To: Howlin
HACK would suddenly become a martyr and actually make it into real headlines. The valiant old soldier, victimized and all that rubbish. No thanks.
153 posted on 05/08/2004 12:08:20 AM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Barlowmaker
Nice try...you have no clue. Go back to DU.
154 posted on 05/08/2004 12:08:43 AM PDT by Fledermaus
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To: GottaLuvAkitas1
Gladly

"Clinton: The focus on the pictures being released is, with all due respect, missing the point. The report was well known, and apparently discussed on numerous occasions. And obviously, the release of the pictures to the entire world was devastating.

And Rumsfeld's response:

"You say the report was well known. I don't know how you know that. All I know is when it made the public, when somebody took a secret document out of prosecutorial channels and released it to the press, I do not believe it was yet anywhere in the Pentagon. Certainly, I had not been given it or seen it."

155 posted on 05/08/2004 12:09:04 AM PDT by A Citizen Reporter
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To: Anti-Bubba182
neither he nor his father believes he was adequately trained by the military to handle prisoners of war...

Well I'm just a "chicken-hawk" as the Dems would say. I never served. But when I try to imagine myself in the position of keeping POW's under control, I don't see making them masturbate in front of a woman on camera as one of my methods -- trained or not.

156 posted on 05/08/2004 12:09:17 AM PDT by BfloGuy (u)
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To: Fledermaus
Well, we are alone. It's almost not even allowed around here to voice an opinion. Especially if it doesn't contour to the "Bush or nothing" crowd.

Now now, I am part of the "Bush or nothing crowd" and you are aces with me. Who is giving you a hard time? There are several times a day that I am ready for the nuke option.

157 posted on 05/08/2004 12:10:42 AM PDT by Texasforever (The French love John Kerry. He is their new Jerry Lewis)
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To: MJY1288; Texasforever; CWOJackson; Howlin; Travis McGee; wardaddy
No agenda here! (sarcasm)

The war according to David Hackworth

The retired colonel calls Donald Rumsfeld an "asshole" whose bad planning mired U.S. troops in an ugly guerrilla conflict in Iraq. His sources? Defiant soldiers sending dispatches from the front.


http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2003/08/04/hackworth/index_np.html
158 posted on 05/08/2004 12:11:34 AM PDT by onyx (WHO LEAKED TO CBS?)
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To: Dolphy
No,it is NOT besides the point at all.

Yes,it appears that there are some sickos and perverts in this crowd and that girl is one of them.Subtract her from the picture and who knows if this would have raised nearly as much faux ire.

159 posted on 05/08/2004 12:11:55 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: A CA Guy
Yeah, but the presence of women caused all that. Men don't rape little boys unless women are present. The only way to atone for this is to nuke the Middle East. /sarcasm

Thanks for pointing these things out. I'm disgusted by some of the ridiculous comments I've seen here. I may have to leave before I upchuck.
160 posted on 05/08/2004 12:12:16 AM PDT by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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