ok you were treated worst at boot camp, i totally agree. But i don’t understand one thing, IF the USA wanted to do what they did to these prisoners, then why did they occupy Iraq? I don’t get it, they said IRAQ had weapons of mass destruction, we all know they din’t find a thing. Ok, US troops went to Iraq to save the nation... hmm.. then whats this? I seriously dont think Sadam would have forced oral homosexual sex!?!
Let’s say even if Sadam did force an awful act like this, then why din’t the USA or Bush let Sadam do it? I really dont get it, US troops sacrificed themsleves and go to Iraq, take out Sadam and FOLLOW SADAM’S FOOTSTEPS??? This is seriously a point to ponder.
I would love to read someone’s reply for this, because i never understood this act.
Well if you think this act was... lets say ‘not that of a deal’ well then why was it a “DEAL” when Sadam commited his own acts?!
Looking forward for your reply dear readers,
Why did the prisoners in Abu Graib ask to be transfered to the detention center at the Air Port when the U.S. Forces handed it over to the Iraqis?
I know that the quality of the food deteriorated when we left. And the Air conditioning to the cells was turned off. Oh, yeah! There was this really nice day room that some prisoners would be allowed to use when they behaved. It had a TV. The senior prison staff uses it as a staff lounge now.
Who would you rather be held by, newbie?
Would you rather be a prisoner held by Al Quida or held at Gitmo?
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Hey Sean...You really don't have a very solid grip on this whole "Saddam tortured people" thing, do you?
1. Saddam did not make guys form a naked pyramid. He didn't have dogs bark at people. He didn't humiliate guys by having a female PFC walk them around on a leash. Here's a description from Human Rights Watch:
Methods of torture or ill-treatment cited included routine beatings to the body using a variety of implements such as cables, hosepipes and metal rods. Detainees reported kicking, slapping and punching; prolonged suspension from the wrists with the hands tied behind the back; electric shocks to sensitive parts of the body, including the earlobes and genitals; and being kept blindfolded and/or handcuffed continuously for several days. In several cases, the detainees suffered what may be permanent physical disability.
Human Rights Watch is too kind. If you google around you will find cases where people's tongues were cut out for criticizing Hussein. One man who survived the prisons had one of his fingers beaten off his hand with an iron bar for criticizing Saddam while behind bars. Another man, a freighter captain, was dipped in a bathtub full of acid and was supposed to be left there to burn alive. A guard had pity on him, but his back now looks like melted candlewax.
Soldiers from my local national guard unit who had given medical care to Iraqis said that mutilations were common in their operating area. Some civilians reported they had been tortured into using their incredibly scarce money (in some regions they basically had a barter economy) at certain businesses so that some government functionary could put good numbers in his next report. They medics also saw many men with severed achilles tendons, which was the punishment for draft dodging in Saddam's Iraq. We know that the Iraqi government had rapists on its payroll, because a favorite interrogation technique was to rape a woman in front of her loved ones so that they would talk. Then there's the footage of beheadings (including one beheading of prostitutes), and of people being tossed off buildings with their hands bound...and the mass graves. Do you remember the one that was found in June 2003, the one full of little kids? Some buried with their dolls, most buried alive?
So, I've already shown that it's pretty ludicrous to compare Abu Ghraib to Saddam's methods. But you fail miserably on two more counts. Read on.
2. What about scale? Twelve people were convicted or punished non-judicially in the Abu Ghraib scandal. Twelve people out of 140,000 troops working in the country at the time. How many torturers do you think Saddam had working for him? 1,200? 12,000? Even that last number may be small, we're talking about a guy who ruled by fear, total fear and nothing but fear. He didn't get "re-elected" by every single voter in the country because he had a shortage of guys willing to hurt people.
How many victims do you think there were at Abu Ghraib? Maybe a hundred, tops? In his 35 years of rule over that nation, how many victims did Saddam torture? How many thousands of people did his men torture and kill each year?
3. Saddam responded to torture by paying and promoting the torturers. He rewarded it. He exulted in it. He relied on it to stay in power, and he even made sure his sons were involved in it early in their lives. Even more than most dictatorships, Iraq was a torturocracy.
But what did we do when we found out our soldiers had done things not even in the same league as Saddam? We stripped them of rank and privileges, and we sent some of them to prison for years. Lyndie England got three years for the leash routine, and her boyfriend got eight.
Sean, as a moral arbiter, you are a total failure. Next time don't climb up on that high horse.
Ever hear of the Deulfer report?
Remember the Sarin IED?
One such shell is proof, noob.
Point to ponder: you will never understand anything until you quit worshipping Che Guevera.